To switch to Raw milk?

I work in public health and often work on outbreaks of bacterial infections which have been caused by raw milk shops. It can make you very poorly.

I’ve worked with teams investigating the outbreaks and heard all sorts of stories about how easily contamination can get into milk on a dairy farm. It can be as simple as the metal barrel that the milk is transported in being stored near where floors are washed down, and splashes get on the neck of the barrel and from that, bacteria get into the dispensing machine. There is also the risks of bacteria passing from cows to humans via the milk, and the pus in the milk.

Pasteurisation was as someone else said earlier a huge step forward in preventing deaths from infection, and is not ultra processing.

I am totally pro both pasteurised and raw milk. I do think raw milk tends to be delicious. I also really like the very low risk of disease from pasteurised milk. I wouldn't switch to raw milk entirely, but I'm totally happy to drink it, and to eat raw milk cheese, when the occasion arises.

If a person is stupid enough to think pasteurisation equals UPF, then a mumsnet thread is not going to de-stupid them.

What is next? Vaccinations produce ultra processed infants?

People often say that countries get the governments they deserve (excluding Afghanistan and the like of course). In these cases perhaps the better saying is play stupid games, win stupid prizes?

You may as well eat your chicken raw while you’re at it.

Listeria, E-colo, Listeria?

They're basically telling you to pasteurise it. That's what the boiling and rapid cooling is. Pasteurisation.

They're selling you raw milk and telling you to pasteurise it.

switched to raw and never went back 😫

I think raw milk bought legally from an organic farm is a bit different to being given it at a farm who aren’t allowed to sell it. There’s regulations in the uk to make it as safe as possible. I presume the health benefits are the bacteria that pasturing kills? We have a local farm that sells raw milk, we got some for a while, but it was a bit of a faff to drive out too! I’ve not heard of anyone becoming seriously ill from raw milk from licensed dairy.

Pasteurised milk is not ultra processed. Honestly.

Oh and anyone who drinks raw should have a little trip to a dairy farm to see how (un)hygienic it is. Guys, there's literally shit on their udders. They're cleaned with a wet rag very quickly before the milking machine is put on.
Pass.

Visited a relative on their farm once. I didn't realise the milk on the table was raw. I then developed the WORST stomach bug of my life. In bed for a week. Never bloody again

Daughter is a vet. She went on a farm visit and the farmer made her a cup of coffee which she drank, not realising he had used raw milk in it.
She caught cryptosporidiosis and was desperately ill. She still has stomach issues now.
You would have to be a thick idiot to drink raw milk. There are zero health benefits to it. Don't believe all the TikTok woo, it's utter nonsense.

So you buy raw milk, take it home and basically pasteurise it yourself!? 🤔

Just drink better milk. There is a massive difference between ordinary supermarket milk and pasteurised milk from a good dairy farm.

Catching TB for real aged 4 and recovering from it seems to be quite effective in my (personal) experience, as I've been exposed multiple times since, still have immunity on blood test and do not have any signs of latent disease on x ray.

Can't recommend it as a 'more natural' strategy to make drinking raw milk a good idea - and I don't suppose that bacillary dysentery is a bundle of laughs, either.

Pasteurisation doesn’t affect the health benefits of milk. It’s heating it! Baffled by people wanting to take the risk for no benefit.

I buy raw milk from a local farmer, they have a refrigerated milk machine. You can bring your own bottle and there's instructions on the machine that you need to boil it and let it cool before drinking it/storing it in the fridge. Tastes great!

Childhood vaccination is highly variable at protecting adults against pulmonary TB - you certainly wouldn't want to rely on it (and protection is particularly poor in low income countries)

Cheese is different because it's processed and aged and has salt in it. As explained many, many times, UK cows' milk is not full of drugs.

Please could somebody actually explain what these wonderful health benefits are? People keep asserting this and running away.

The venom on this thread is a bit bonkers!

Do people know that Parmesan cheese is raw dairy? Raw milk is sold at various farms all round the country, at farmers markets, even raw dairy at the supermarkets these days (Isigny brand, all Parmesan and many other cheeses). As long as the farm is trustworthy there are no problems, and many health benefits.

OP, I have organic raw milk delivered monthly, have done for years, never had a problem and we’re all much healthier for it. And yes I do think that’s better than milk from cows given drugs to change their digestive systems (bovaer - what could possibly go wrong…)

Assume I’ll get a pasting now so probably won’t be back!

There has been a woman driving around the Cotswolds asking for places to buy raw milk. Apparently very persistently because she was being discussed by several people who encountered her.

All the farmers and country people talking about it thought she was suicidal level reckless. If they think it’s too “natural” to contemplate, then it definitely is, even if you don’t believe the science.

I sometimes buy raw milk from a local organic farm, but I think you get most of the benefits from having milk that gas not been homogenised. You can still get that delivered to your door on glass bottles.

Yeah it’s rich and full of bacteria your tummy isn’t used to. That’s what will give you the runs. You get used to it pretty quickly though.

I grew up on raw milk. I had to give up milk when I moved out of home. I buy raw milk from the farmers market now. They only sell it when the know the cows haven’t had meds etc. It’s worlds apart.

I can’t bear pasteurised milk. It’s so grim if it’s even a bit off. Raw milk doesn’t go bad in the same way.

Have you been to a milking parlour? Have you seen how much shit there is flying about?