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AIBU to be gutted my house has lost me money?

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Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:36

I guess I’m really wondering if anyone else has been in this situation and what I can do… I bought a two bed flat in a nice area of London in 2017. Redecorated, replaced the kitchen and bathroom, and have lived here happily since.

We’re starting to outgrow it and decided to get the flat valued and see what’s out there. Two valuations, both for the same as we bought it - maybe 5% growth if we’re lucky. I’m just gutted. With inflation over that time, we’ve essentially lost £200,000. The estate agent said house prices in our area haven’t gone up over that time because it’s not ‘up and coming’, it came up a long time ago and has stayed desirable. What do we do? Just suck it up and sell, or wait and see if anything changes?

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pelargoniums · 17/04/2025 13:38

So if your property is done up it may well be worth more.
Or, the property being done up is what’s kept it above £625k, and if it were still a fixer-upper it might be worth a lot less.

usernamealreadytaken · 17/04/2025 13:37

cestlavielife · 17/04/2025 13:34

Right. Inflation favours mortgage purchasers not cash buyers.
Regardless.
Op has benefitted from secure home for eight years paying less than market rent on 50% of the flat.
Some flats do not gain so much in value
But it s not an actual loss just a way of seeing things.
If she sells for 623 she gets her half share back. Which yes will buy less than it did eight years ago

How does inflation favour mortgage purchasers?

cestlavielife · 17/04/2025 13:36

Since 2020a 2 bed nice mansion flat in nw3 would set you back 2500 a month in rent and nearer 2900 since 2023. That's significant saving for op over time

justasking111 · 17/04/2025 13:35

Well I'm going to go against the flow @Hotpinkparade . EA are undervaluing because their jobs are on the line. So if your property is done up it may well be worth more. Whether someone will pay more or bid on property where the owners are desperate to sell is anyone's guess.

It's a difficult market, you may find a bargain when you move up . It's a buyers market.

FarmGirl78 · 17/04/2025 13:35

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:50

I guess it feels like a loss due to the mad rates of inflation over that time. The money I paid in 2017 would be worth £200k more in 2025 thanks to inflation.

But during that time you've had somewhere to live. That doesn't come for free!!

cestlavielife · 17/04/2025 13:34

Right. Inflation favours mortgage purchasers not cash buyers.
Regardless.
Op has benefitted from secure home for eight years paying less than market rent on 50% of the flat.
Some flats do not gain so much in value
But it s not an actual loss just a way of seeing things.
If she sells for 623 she gets her half share back. Which yes will buy less than it did eight years ago

netflixskivving · 17/04/2025 13:34

There is absolutely nothing OP could have invested £625k in 2017, and ended up with £825k now

My S&S are down from what they were but still significantly up but not inflation busting

IceColdChardonayPls · 17/04/2025 13:34

BarnacleBeasley · 17/04/2025 12:54

But where would you have lived between 2017 and now if you'd just invested the money?

Yes, exactly.

but as you were paying no rent or mortgage you could / should have invested some cash each month, which would then have made you some profit.

as others have said, however, a flat is primarily your home, not an investment.

It does sound a bit like you may have overpaid a bit for it though in 2017.

think you just need to put it out of mind and get on with crunching the numbers and looking for a new place.

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:33

netflixskivving · 17/04/2025 13:30

@Hotpinkparade how much did you spend redecorating? I think it's ok to be annoyed.

We spent £25k before we moved in - new kitchen and bathroom, new central heating and redecoration. Also general maintenance since then, new boiler etc etc.

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usernamealreadytaken · 17/04/2025 13:33

CiscoTS · 17/04/2025 13:30

I think the whole flat was £625k, not half of it.

Which means she only gets half of £625k and the rest belongs to the trust, which will need to be reinvested elsewhere.

The inflation calculator doesn’t really mean anything OP. There are too many variables when it comes to the property market.

OP said "I paid £625k in 2017. (I put this into an inflation calculator that said this would be ‘worth’ £822k in 2025.) To make matters more complicated - I bought half the flat, and the other half was purchase by a trust overseen by my dad."

If she had only paid half of the £625k, she wouldn't be expecting a £200k increase in her own money.

Sofiewoo · 17/04/2025 13:33

You would never have invested £312k in 2017 and had 512k today.

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:33

GasPanic · 17/04/2025 13:20

If the service charge is 4K per year then over that time you would have paid 32K in service charges, plus any other maintenance and lease extension charges.

If you sell it and move to a new place of similar costs you will have to pay a whack in stamp duty. Did you pay stamp duty on this as a FTB ?

Tell me there is no more money in houses any more without telling me there is no more money in houses any more.

If you want a final bit of good news, my guess is the price differential between leasehold flats and freehold houses has further increased over the time period so limiting moving up opportunities.

I did pay stamp duty as I also inherited a property abroad (I know, I know - if it makes anyone feel better I run this as a rental but it doesn’t make any profit, just covers its costs) - so I paid second home stamp duty and will have to again on the next purchase.

My block is run by a cabal of vultures and I feel like I’m constantly under watch - one of the reasons we want to move. But yeah I’m aware freehold is going to be out of reach. Share of freehold in a conversion would be a massive improvement, or leasehold with fewer restrictions (we really want hard floors and a pet, neither of which are allowed in our building!)

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CaptainMyCaptain · 17/04/2025 13:32

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:53

Reassuring to know I’m not alone at least! I feel like a mug, and if I’d just invested the money in 2017 rather than buying I’d be in a much better position now.

But you would have still had to pay to live somewhere.

pelargoniums · 17/04/2025 13:31

Look at it this way: you were able to weather Covid-related work downturns with a cheap roof over your head, which perhaps you wouldn’t have been able to do otherwise; your partner was able to study (to presumably expand employment opportunities for long-term financial gain) rather than work to pay off market-rate rents. You own a full half of a £625k property – wait, plus 5%, so half of £656. Giving you £328k cash to split between a substantial deposit and the stamp duty, conveyancing etc. You’re better off than 99.99% of people! You just might have to move to a new area if you want a house for your £300k deposit, and suck up paying a bit of mortgage too. That’s what most of us do when we need more space: find the place we can afford it, and tie ourselves into paying it off for 25 years.

netflixskivving · 17/04/2025 13:30

@Hotpinkparade how much did you spend redecorating? I think it's ok to be annoyed.

CiscoTS · 17/04/2025 13:30

usernamealreadytaken · 17/04/2025 13:25

OP bought half the flat for £625k, so would have expected £200k increase in price - the £200k wasn't the purchase price.

I think the whole flat was £625k, not half of it.

Which means she only gets half of £625k and the rest belongs to the trust, which will need to be reinvested elsewhere.

The inflation calculator doesn’t really mean anything OP. There are too many variables when it comes to the property market.

Sofiewoo · 17/04/2025 13:30

RoseMarigoldViolet · 17/04/2025 13:27

OP, are you prepared to say what area of London you are in? Thanks.

Presumably inner west given it’s a mansion block and was 625k back in 2017 which was bit an inexpensive flat for the time.

GasPanic · 17/04/2025 13:30

TBH you probably should just be thankful that you haven't made a substantial loss like some people have with the cladding issues.

You've had a decent place to live for 8 years and have been mortgage free.

Your flat just hasn't turned into the cash machine that a lot of London properties did during the 00s and 10s.

Remember there are a lot of people out there who struggle to even find a place to buy.

Waterweight · 17/04/2025 13:30

Happened to another girl I know - bought a house circa 2016/17 in a london-but-for-people-who-could-afford-it sort of area

Nice enough & did a lovely renovation on all baths/kitchen/paint ect.

Could easily sell it for.... What she paid

ZoggyStirdust · 17/04/2025 13:29

Also, you say you paid 625 but you also say you only own half.

so did the flat cost 1.25m and you paid half, or did you pay 312k?

if it’s the first, then the rest saving is a lot more. If it’s the second then your 200k inflation gain should only be half that.

either way, you’re not down

edwinbear · 17/04/2025 13:29

There is absolutely nothing OP could have invested £625k in 2017, and ended up with £825k now. Possibly crypto I guess, but who'd be reckless enough to put £625k in crypto, rent somewhere to live and keep their fingers crossed? Inflation and return on investment are completely different things, OP seems to have the view that return on investment = inflation, which clearly it doesn't.

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:29

RoseMarigoldViolet · 17/04/2025 13:27

OP, are you prepared to say what area of London you are in? Thanks.

Yeah I’m in NW3.

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Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:28

Ratisshortforratthew · 17/04/2025 13:23

Good grief. The more you post the more your diamond shoes are too tight. You have a mortgage-free place to live and the support of family money that you’re paying back at half market rate. Did you want a home or an asset? I’m also a London flat owner (bought with no help because my parents are and have always been poor) and it’s value never even enters my head because every day I’m just thankful to have a secure place to live.

I’m not paying money back. That’s rent on half the value of the flat, not a mortgage I’m paying off. The rest of what you say is totally true and I’m extremely fortunate - I’m aware of this already but it’s good to be reminded!

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RoseMarigoldViolet · 17/04/2025 13:27

OP, are you prepared to say what area of London you are in? Thanks.

StarTwirl · 17/04/2025 13:27

That’s a lot of money to spend on a flat as opposed to moving further out and buying a house instead

missing the point of the thread but that’s all I’m getting from this

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