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AIBU to be gutted my house has lost me money?

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Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:36

I guess I’m really wondering if anyone else has been in this situation and what I can do… I bought a two bed flat in a nice area of London in 2017. Redecorated, replaced the kitchen and bathroom, and have lived here happily since.

We’re starting to outgrow it and decided to get the flat valued and see what’s out there. Two valuations, both for the same as we bought it - maybe 5% growth if we’re lucky. I’m just gutted. With inflation over that time, we’ve essentially lost £200,000. The estate agent said house prices in our area haven’t gone up over that time because it’s not ‘up and coming’, it came up a long time ago and has stayed desirable. What do we do? Just suck it up and sell, or wait and see if anything changes?

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UrinalCake · 17/04/2025 18:22

caringcarer · 17/04/2025 17:55

I think it is likely location dependent because I bought a 3 bedroom btl house with some inheritance in 2016 in the West Midlands. DH did some work on it and I had a new kitchen and bathroom. It's more than doubled in value and I've been repaying additional mortgage off every month because mortgage rates have been low and now I've only got a little over £62k left to pay on it to clear the mortgage.

Agree, that doesn't sound right. The overall picture is of properties not increasing in real terms, but there are surely going to be loads of areas that buck the trend given the massive social change since then.

We also bought around that time and it's increased about 25% in real terms, having done not much bar paint and not been very clever about anything. Still not a very expensive house, granted, so 25% in real terms is a lot less than it would be elsewhere.

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 18:21

HerNeighbourTotoro · 17/04/2025 18:16

So now you are jealous someone made money but not you, because you expected to also make £300000. You need to let go. Why does it make you sick someone was fortunate because they bought at the right time (and you didnt).

Okay chill out. I was asked why I didn’t know I wouldn’t make money on the flat. I pointed out that the previous owner made plenty of money on the flat, so how was I to know the same wouldn’t happen again? I didn’t expect the flat to carry on doubling in value forever, but I did expect it to rise in value over 8 years. Lesson learned.

’Making me sick’ was perhaps a strong way of phrasing it; I guess it’s in relation to people suggesting I’ve overpaid, so it’s a bit galling to look back on.

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HerNeighbourTotoro · 17/04/2025 18:16

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 14:09

How would I know this? No one told me anything like this. Also - makes me sick to type but the person I bought from paid roughly £325k in 2011 and sold to me for £625k in 2017. So he made a lovely amount of money over five years!

So now you are jealous someone made money but not you, because you expected to also make £300000. You need to let go. Why does it make you sick someone was fortunate because they bought at the right time (and you didnt).

BrilliantBrilliant · 17/04/2025 18:08

Your inheritance has basically provided you with a home. It hasn't risen in value but not fallen. It's a home. Move if you want to another home. Free homes don't come to many.

Muffinmam · 17/04/2025 18:05

Summer2025 · 17/04/2025 15:21

My flat has barely increased in value (owner of 1930s 2 bed london flat) but I had stable mortgage payments from age 26 to 32 of 1k per month and service charge barely increased..now going on mat leave and mortgage fixed at 1282 until next June. Dh director of residents management company so we have oversight of service charges.

I was on a low income in my 20s and it didn't increase until 2023 (bought in 2019). Dh was on london average income (around 50k mark) and his pay only substantially increased in 2022.

I probably wouldn't have been able to afford rent fluctuations and would have stayed with my family.

And I think I did gain equity cos I used my spare money to overpay mortgage- my balance went down by 60k. But I only overpaid when our salaries increased, didn't overpay for first 3 years and not overpaying now cos I am expecting and we have lots of costs associated with the baby and my DH's health (£700 a month on medication! And he has employer health insurance).. but I will overpay after baby gets free childcare hours. Owning a property does give you more flexibility re earnings which allows you to cover other necessary costs..

I’m sorry your husband’s medication is so expensive.
£700 is so much money. I hope he’s going ok.

Hastentoadd · 17/04/2025 17:59

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 17:38

No, it would just be our cost if we wanted to replace our windows. Which we do, as they are single glazed, most of them no longer open (or the ones that do open don’t close properly), and starting to rust. But the quote to replace was £20k and has probably gone up since we looked in to it, so we’ll just shiver instead!

Have you tried arguing that it isn’t a ‘want’ it’s a necessity in order to adequately ventilate the flat and maintain it, state that mould could develop which could harm inhabitants and damage the property, also windows that don’t close fully are a security risk and could possibly endanger lives

caringcarer · 17/04/2025 17:55

GreatCyanCrab · 17/04/2025 14:24

I guess it’s location dependent it would be very unusual for any property bought in 2017 to have kept up with inflation. Definitely in places I have lived/bought/sold they wouldn’t have.

Nationwide have a House Price Index that I use sometimes for work - it would be more useful for you to look at that.

I think it is likely location dependent because I bought a 3 bedroom btl house with some inheritance in 2016 in the West Midlands. DH did some work on it and I had a new kitchen and bathroom. It's more than doubled in value and I've been repaying additional mortgage off every month because mortgage rates have been low and now I've only got a little over £62k left to pay on it to clear the mortgage.

Maria1982 · 17/04/2025 17:51

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:50

I guess it feels like a loss due to the mad rates of inflation over that time. The money I paid in 2017 would be worth £200k more in 2025 thanks to inflation.

I think you’ve got this the wrong way round!!
especially since you bought in cash . If you had held onto the cash in 2017 instead of buying, your cash would now be worth much LESS due to inflation.

plus as many other have said - you’ve had all these years of not paying rent or mortgage, which surely means you’ve been able to either save or live well on your income

SlightlyJaded · 17/04/2025 17:48

Hmmm quite hard to find a two bed flat with private outside space in Hampstead or Belsize Park for that. I think it might be worth a third valuation....

SheilaFentiman · 17/04/2025 17:45

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 17:38

No, it would just be our cost if we wanted to replace our windows. Which we do, as they are single glazed, most of them no longer open (or the ones that do open don’t close properly), and starting to rust. But the quote to replace was £20k and has probably gone up since we looked in to it, so we’ll just shiver instead!

OP

We have secondary glazing on some of our windows, which is a pane of glass fastened inside the window. Might be worth looking at because it wouldn't impact on the appearance.

caringcarer · 17/04/2025 17:44

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 14:09

How would I know this? No one told me anything like this. Also - makes me sick to type but the person I bought from paid roughly £325k in 2011 and sold to me for £625k in 2017. So he made a lovely amount of money over five years!

Sorry OP, I actually thought anyone buying a flat would have done their research and knew they didn't hold their value like a house. Also flats are leasehold so that's another disadvantage. As the leasehold runs down it's sometimes harder to get a mortgage without buying a longer lease. Obviously I don't know how many years you have left on your lease. It sounds as if you might have overpaid. Can you hold on to it until prices rise a bit more?

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 17:38

Hastentoadd · 17/04/2025 17:35

only allowed a specific brand of expensive windows

Out of interest, did the other part owners pay something towards cost of the window replacement?

No, it would just be our cost if we wanted to replace our windows. Which we do, as they are single glazed, most of them no longer open (or the ones that do open don’t close properly), and starting to rust. But the quote to replace was £20k and has probably gone up since we looked in to it, so we’ll just shiver instead!

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Hastentoadd · 17/04/2025 17:35

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 17:33

We were forced to put carpet down in the flat under threat of forfeiting our lease if we didn't. Despite the flat having hard floors when we bought it, and being on the ground floor with no one living beneath us. There are also a million other covenants, permissions we have to seek to make any changes, only allowed a specific brand of expensive windows, etc etc.

only allowed a specific brand of expensive windows

Out of interest, did the other part owners pay something towards cost of the window replacement?

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 17:33

SheilaFentiman · 17/04/2025 17:29

How could you not decorate how you want, but put in a new kitchen and bathroom? Or do you mean the outside of the property?

We were forced to put carpet down in the flat under threat of forfeiting our lease if we didn't. Despite the flat having hard floors when we bought it, and being on the ground floor with no one living beneath us. There are also a million other covenants, permissions we have to seek to make any changes, only allowed a specific brand of expensive windows, etc etc.

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SheilaFentiman · 17/04/2025 17:29

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 16:50

Literally not allowed a pet, or to decorate how we want, which is why we’re leaving, as I mentioned in an earlier post. Leasehold isn’t the same as owning outright in terms of autonomy, not by a long stretch. But yes I recognise I’m fortunate not to be renting and I’m very grateful for that.

How could you not decorate how you want, but put in a new kitchen and bathroom? Or do you mean the outside of the property?

Hastentoadd · 17/04/2025 16:59

Papricat · 17/04/2025 16:27

You definitely lost money relative to if you had invested it in the stock market instead. The opportunity cost is what matters.

But surely if they invested it in the stock market they would have had to pay rent for all those years so I doubt they would have made much money

0ohLarLar · 17/04/2025 16:53

I think your expectations are off why would it have made £200k, that's a huge increase in value in just 7 years.

Its not always for London.

I bought a flat for £360k amd sold it for £580k 3.5 years later. We hadn't done anything except repaint.

However OP, most people get hit by this at some stage. The person who sold to you probably also bought their next property "high" and is now stuck feeling they haven't "made a gain". If you had bought when things were "low" it would probably have been low because mortgage rates & other investment returns were also low.

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 16:50

FatherFrosty · 17/04/2025 16:46

As a private renter this is a hard read

you’ve had security, autonomy over your future. The ability to paint, have pets and enjoy absolute freedom in your home.
and
peace of mind

do not underestimate how much that is worth

from someone whose paid out approaching £300,000k to landlords

Literally not allowed a pet, or to decorate how we want, which is why we’re leaving, as I mentioned in an earlier post. Leasehold isn’t the same as owning outright in terms of autonomy, not by a long stretch. But yes I recognise I’m fortunate not to be renting and I’m very grateful for that.

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Heronwatcher · 17/04/2025 16:50

people seem to want to miss the flat step of the property ladder and go straight for a house.

My estate agent said this, she has first time buyers looking for houses of over £1 mil (2 city salaries and help from parents). She said stamp duty is so high people want to get somewhere they can stay for 15 years and raise kids etc, rather than climb the ladder paying stamp duty and other costs every 5 years.

handsdownthebest · 17/04/2025 16:49

We own a flat in a desirable part of West London and as per your valuations our flat also hasn't gone up in value to the extend of flats in less desirable areas, as this area is already desirable IYNWIM.
We bought in 2012 and over 13 years and with complete renovation it has gone up by about £200000 with not much change in about 5 years.

Heronwatcher · 17/04/2025 16:47

Just chalk it up to experience and move on.

If you want to make money you need to pick the right property in the right place. A 2 bed flat with no garden in Hampstead was never going to be either!

If you’d invested in a 2 bed terrace in somewhere like Walthamstow, or Clapton etc, extended the kitchen and say added a bedroom, that’s the sort of thing that can make money. That said it can be a miserable experience, you can lose money if you have to abandon the renovation half way through and you also wouldn’t have been living in such a “naice” area for the last 8 years. So you take your pick really.

The house that made me the most money we picked the area well. When we first moved there it had a working men’s club at the end of the road, 10 years later it was a mini Waitrose and a Gail’s!. Equally the closest school was ofsted RI, now it’s outstanding and sought after.

BUT we also completely renovated a very run down terrace from top to bottom, 2 bed loft conversion, side-return, complete re-wire, new boiler, new bathrooms, all redecorated etc (much of which I did myself) and I spent weeks over time making a beautiful garden. We were lucky that this was pre-Brexit but it still cost a lot of money and I had a year of living in a building site having daily conversations with builders etc. That’s why we made money!

FatherFrosty · 17/04/2025 16:46

As a private renter this is a hard read

you’ve had security, autonomy over your future. The ability to paint, have pets and enjoy absolute freedom in your home.
and
peace of mind

do not underestimate how much that is worth

from someone whose paid out approaching £300,000k to landlords

edwinbear · 17/04/2025 16:34

@Papricat that's not the case. @AndImBrit has checked.

If you’d invested £625k in a FTSE tracker on 1 April 2017, and cashed it in yesterday you would have cashed in £668k, about a 7% increase

Constance1 · 17/04/2025 16:32

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 15:44

Thanks for this - you’re totally right, seems like anyone who bought at a similar time to me is in the same boat, selling for modest gain or in some cases a loss. Definitely helps to know that it’s just the market in this area and not an idiotic mistake on my part.

I think it's also flats in general that have not kept pace. We sold our flat in 2018 in another nice area of London for £425k which was double what we had paid for it in 2007; however I have just seen it's gone on the market recently for £430k despite the current owners getting a new boiler and replacing the kitchen. It's also decorated much nicer than we had it. I think the market for flats never recovered from the pandemic when they became much less desirable, and also dues to costs of moving and people buying their first home much later in life than for previous generations, people seem to want to miss the flat step of the property ladder and go straight for a house.

Utterknowitall · 17/04/2025 16:29

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:53

Reassuring to know I’m not alone at least! I feel like a mug, and if I’d just invested the money in 2017 rather than buying I’d be in a much better position now.

But you would have had to pay rent for the last 8 years?