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AIBU to be gutted my house has lost me money?

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Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:36

I guess I’m really wondering if anyone else has been in this situation and what I can do… I bought a two bed flat in a nice area of London in 2017. Redecorated, replaced the kitchen and bathroom, and have lived here happily since.

We’re starting to outgrow it and decided to get the flat valued and see what’s out there. Two valuations, both for the same as we bought it - maybe 5% growth if we’re lucky. I’m just gutted. With inflation over that time, we’ve essentially lost £200,000. The estate agent said house prices in our area haven’t gone up over that time because it’s not ‘up and coming’, it came up a long time ago and has stayed desirable. What do we do? Just suck it up and sell, or wait and see if anything changes?

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Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:12

Meadowfinch · 17/04/2025 13:04

OP, that seems a very low return for a ground floor flat, even for London. Did you buy the flat new? Or from a property developer?

Does it have a short lease or high service charges? A shared freehold?

No it’s a mansion block, around 100 years old. Service charge is high (around £4k a year) but not unusual for the area - the block next door is £10k a year (albeit including heating and hot water.) Lease is at around 180 years, we are leasehold owners.

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Cadenza12 · 17/04/2025 13:12

The obvious question is did you overpay in the first place?

netflixskivving · 17/04/2025 13:12

It's a bitter pill to swallow as so many have seen years of exponential growth but flats purchased post Brexit really have suffered in many parts of London.

I don't think things will change, well maybe in decades but contrary to what the message has been affordability does matter even in London & without huge equity gains it's very hard to keep funding ever increasing house purchases when wages have also stagnated for years.

IrritatedEarthling · 17/04/2025 13:11

It sounds like it could have been a new build? This happened to me 15 years ago but on a slightly smaller scale.

Have you thought about getting a BTL mortgage on it to release some funds, renting it out, then using the released funds as a deposit on your new place?

I don't know how the numbers would work for you without variables like rental value and so on, but it's just an idea.

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:10

MikeRafone · 17/04/2025 13:09

If the bread was still the same price, and inflation was zero - then you’d not have lost any money

Yeah I think we agree. I have lost money because the price of bread has gone up so much. My £625k is worth a lot less now than it was in 2017.

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SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 17/04/2025 13:10

You can't think about the inflation gain without taking into account the interest you would have paid on a mortgage.

If the mortgage interest would have been lower than a savings rate over that time then that's just a lesson to be learnt

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:09

Augustus40 · 17/04/2025 13:03

How many years are on the lease as leasehold properties can deppreciate unless you pay the freeholders for a brand new 99 year lease. Is that an option?

We have extended the least as it was running down towards 80 so now has an extra 99 years on it.

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MikeRafone · 17/04/2025 13:09

If the bread was still the same price, and inflation was zero - then you’d not have lost any money

MikeRafone · 17/04/2025 13:07

That’s not how inflation works

if you purchased a house in 2017 for £200k and now can sell it for £200k but in 2017 a loaf of bread was £2.50 and now a loaf of bread cost £4 - you literally can’t buy as many loaves as f bread - as inflation has increased prices

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · 17/04/2025 13:06

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:53

Reassuring to know I’m not alone at least! I feel like a mug, and if I’d just invested the money in 2017 rather than buying I’d be in a much better position now.

Well, probably not, as you would have been paying rent to live elsewhere. I very much doubt the interest from the investment would have been higher than your rent.

Meadowfinch · 17/04/2025 13:04

OP, that seems a very low return for a ground floor flat, even for London. Did you buy the flat new? Or from a property developer?

Does it have a short lease or high service charges? A shared freehold?

BarnacleBeasley · 17/04/2025 13:04

MikeRafone · 17/04/2025 12:58

All those stating that the flat hasn’t lost money, it’s not kept up with inflation - so effectively it has lost money

if £100 in 2017 brought 10 gold coins and now 10 gold coins is worth £70

youve still got 10 gold coins but they are now worth £70

This is true of course, but I think OP has already factored in inflation to the £200k amount she thinks she ought to have gained anyway. And what people are saying is that she expected to now have (value of flat) + 200k, when she in fact just has (value of flat). However, as she would have likely spent the imaginary £200k on rent, she doesn't now have less money than she would have had if she hadn't bought the flat.

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:04

Treesarenotforeating · 17/04/2025 12:58

You haven’t ‘lost’ money
you bought at a price thinking in a few years time it might possibly double value ( make a huge profit) for you and it hasn’t

I never said I thought it would double in value 😂

I was just disappointed it hadn’t even kept pace with inflation I suppose. It’s my first time selling and I didn’t expect to be in a worse position than when I started, which is what it feels like.

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Augustus40 · 17/04/2025 13:03

How many years are on the lease as leasehold properties can deppreciate unless you pay the freeholders for a brand new 99 year lease. Is that an option?

Tessasanderson · 17/04/2025 13:02

If you look at it as a HOME then you havent lost a penny.

House A is worth 100k in 2017
House B is worth 200k in 2017

If house A appreciates by 25% in 8 years then its worth 125k
If house B appreciates by 25% in 8 years then its worth 250k

So to move in the 8 years would cost £25k more if both houses appreciated at 25%.

BUT your estate agent has said your area hasnt appreciated and taking my example house A is still with 100k. Therefore house B hasnt appreciated either and is still worth 200k.

GasPanic · 17/04/2025 13:02

Sounds to me like you were fooled into the idea that property prices always go up.

Mrsttcno1 · 17/04/2025 13:02

Sofiewoo · 17/04/2025 12:58

I don’t think this is accurate for London at all. There is a huge price difference between a 2 bedroom flat and a 2.5 terraced house in most areas of london. Even many high household incomes can’t sustain the 40% increase. You’re talking a 150k household income plus family money to buy a terrace even in a shitty part of London.

Statistically there is evidence that it is correct for London still. Rise of WFH, people want space, and with leasehold & service charge issues flats are typically taking a lot longer to sell than they used to, even in London, and are less desirable than they once were.

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 13:02

MikeRafone · 17/04/2025 12:58

All those stating that the flat hasn’t lost money, it’s not kept up with inflation - so effectively it has lost money

if £100 in 2017 brought 10 gold coins and now 10 gold coins is worth £70

youve still got 10 gold coins but they are now worth £70

Thanks, this is point I’m trying to make regarding inflation and the £200k figure!

I paid £625k in 2017. (I put this into an inflation calculator that said this would be ‘worth’ £822k in 2025.)

To make matters more complicated - I bought half the flat, and the other half was purchase by a trust overseen by my dad. The agreement was that we would pay ‘rent’ to the trust on the half we don’t own. So we have been paying rent, albeit half of market rate, which we won’t see again. This period coincided with a drop in my work during Covid, and my partner returning to study, so we haven’t been able to save more on top of that (for the person who asked why we weren’t tucking away the equivalent of mortgage payments).

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edwinbear · 17/04/2025 13:01

I'm not sure anything you'd invested in would have kept pace with inflation. Interest rates didn't get up to 11%, and if you'd invested in the stock market you'd have lost a lot of the capital last week. Plus as others have said, if you'd have invested it, where would you have lived? You really can't view your primary home as an investment, it's somewhere to live. If it goes up in value whilst you own it, that's a bonus, but it's not the primary objective of buying a home. We need to get away from this view that property is a guaranteed way to make money.

tryingtobesogood · 17/04/2025 13:00

Hotpinkparade · 17/04/2025 12:55

Unfortunately two estate agents and Zoopla are in agreement so I think it’s correct.

Does anyone think there’s value in waiting another couple of years to see if there’s an uptick, or is 7.5 years enough to say there’s unlikely to be a change?

I wouldn’t wait OP, I would move if that’s right for your lifestyle now and in the future. You could gamble a couple more years and see no growth while the properties you want to buy move out of your reach. Focus on the fact that you haven’t had to pay a mortgage for the last 7.5 years, which probably means you’ve had a good quality of life Living in a flat that you’ve liked. Now it’s time to move on and maybe you have to take on a small mortgage to enable you to do that, you are still in a better position than most people.

edited to ask, did you use the last 7.5 years to save money as you didn’t have a mortgage or rent to pay?

Xenia · 17/04/2025 12:59

We sold our last house after massive losses in the 1990s property crash had hit the market. The upside was we were moving to a bigger place so the cost of that new place was in that sense proportionately less s in a way you do still win out even if you sell your flat for less as the next place you buy if is more expensive will also usually be less than it would otherwise have been.

DisforDarkChocolate · 17/04/2025 12:59

Did you use having no mortgage as an opportunity to save a decent amount each month?

AFrankExchangeofViews · 17/04/2025 12:59

If you'd invested it yes it would have maybe gone up more depending on the investment, but you would have had to pay several thousand in rent each month to live in a similar property. Also sounds like maybe you overpaid in 2017, because generally all housing has increased in value in the past 8 years.

Anyway, housing yourself is not an investment generally, yes at times it has been, but also many many people have lost money on housing, and gone into negative equity. If you had put the say £2000/month you saved on rent into an ISA with a 5% return since 2017, you would have £200k today - so there is that too.

Sofiewoo · 17/04/2025 12:58

Mrsttcno1 · 17/04/2025 12:54

I do think people are wising up to flats now as well though, especially where we are they tend to take a long time to sell

I don’t think this is accurate for London at all. There is a huge price difference between a 2 bedroom flat and a 2.5 terraced house in most areas of london. Even many high household incomes can’t sustain the 40% increase. You’re talking a 150k household income plus family money to buy a terrace even in a shitty part of London.

Treesarenotforeating · 17/04/2025 12:58

You haven’t ‘lost’ money
you bought at a price thinking in a few years time it might possibly double value ( make a huge profit) for you and it hasn’t

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