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To tell the neighbours the cat isn’t my problem

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Miniminxymoo · 17/04/2025 06:51

We have neighbours who own a cat. The cat is a bit of a pain in the backside and continually came in our garden. Obviously, we couldn’t stop it and it treated our garden as its own causing some damage to toys and crapping in the flower beds.

We have recently got a lab from a rescue who, as we quickly discovered, doesn’t like cats. As soon as we brought our dog home and let it in the garden it immediately chased this cat down. The dog didn’t catch the cat and is likely never going to but likes to terrify the cat. Thankfully, the cat seems to be trying its luck a little less and our garden isn’t suffering so much mess and damage. Most of the other houses have had dogs for a fair while so cat hasn’t gone into the other gardens, ours was the only one it went into because of the dogs.

The neighbours have now complained that they are worried that my dog is going to harm their cat and possibly kill it. Now, as I’ve said, the dog is likely never to catch the cat and my garden is very secure so will never escape. The neighbours have said they will charge us for any vet bills if their cat gets injured and they will complain to the council.

neighbours have also said that if the cat is in my garden then I shouldn’t let the dog out for a pee. The issue is, I often don’t see the cat before I let her out.

My dog is pretty chilled, never any bother in any other way other than when the cat comes in.

AIBU to tell the neighbours that it isn’t my problem if their cat is scared. It’s my garden and my dog’s home and if they have an issue then they’re the ones who should keep their animal in? I’ve suggested for them to put rubber spikes or similar on their fence to hopefully prevent the cat, who is a twat, coming in but they have said the expense to do that should be on me and they don’t like to do things like that!

OP posts:
Hoppinggreen · 17/04/2025 10:18

Kbroughton · 17/04/2025 10:00

In my experience labs are big babies that would bit know what to do if they caught a cat, and cats are more then a match for most dogs. A quick snack from a cat is usually more then enough to send the average dog running away. Your neighbours are being ridiculous. I say that as a cat and dog owner. My cat runs rings around my dogs! Obviously you wouldn't want a cat harmed (although I do think this is unlikely) but cats are not than capable of getting out of dogs way as well. They are your neighbours though so not good to fall out. I would be kind to them and say of course you will look to see if the cat is out but of course you can't check the whole garden.

IME if a cat or anything else gives a Lab a snack they will be followed round all day!!!

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 10:18

Miniminxymoo · 17/04/2025 10:17

It would be extremely hard for someone to say my dog is ‘out of control’ if it manages to catch a cat in its own garden to be honest. Especially with no other evidence nor history the dog has ever done it before to anything other than said cat.

Edited

I edited my other post before you replied so I'll add it here.

I am simply saying that if you know your dog has a tendency to chase animals, and you know your neighbour hates the dog, then it would be sensible to supervise the dog whilst it is outside.

Miniminxymoo · 17/04/2025 10:17

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 10:09

I was trying to advise around the law. Your OP mentions your neighbours concern that your dog could kill the cat. Surely you see people with no control over their dogs daily, doesn't mean they are good dog owners or wouldn't be on the wrong side of the law if their dog caused harm. Lots of people believe 'I can do what I like on my own property' but it isn't true.

It would be extremely hard for someone to say my dog is ‘out of control’ if it manages to catch a cat in its own garden to be honest. Especially with no other evidence nor history the dog has ever done it before to anything other than said cat.

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 17/04/2025 10:14

ViolasandViolets · 17/04/2025 09:45

YANBU about their cat

YABU if you think your dog won’t mess up your garden more than their cat.

My dog goes out, has a wee/poo on the grass, a bit of a sniff then she lays down in the sun.

The neighbours cats come in, wee/scent up all my plants and garden structures, scratch at them, bury their poo in my pots / borders, stalk and try to catch the birds and occasionally the squirrels. One destroyed half my daughter's fairy garden because a field mouse ran through it.

Well behaved dogs do minimal damage to a garden.

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 10:14

godmum56 · 17/04/2025 10:12

the Dangerous Dog's Act does not cover animals which enter your properly secured property. The only animals specifically mentioned in it are assistance animals.

As I've said in my other post, harming animals can be used as evidence of the dogs character if the neighbour then goes on to complain that the dog hurt or scared her.

I am simply saying that if you know your dog has a tendency to chase animals, and you know your neighbour hates the dog, then it would be sensible to supervise the dog whilst it is outside.

godmum56 · 17/04/2025 10:12

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 10:09

I was trying to advise around the law. Your OP mentions your neighbours concern that your dog could kill the cat. Surely you see people with no control over their dogs daily, doesn't mean they are good dog owners or wouldn't be on the wrong side of the law if their dog caused harm. Lots of people believe 'I can do what I like on my own property' but it isn't true.

the Dangerous Dog's Act does not cover animals which enter your properly secured property. The only animals specifically mentioned in it are assistance animals.

godmum56 · 17/04/2025 10:10

Nextdoor55 · 17/04/2025 10:03

Not really, you don't need a solicitor to do civil cases not in the UK. Would be small claims court. Doesn't cost much at all.

you could TRY to get vet fees or the purchase price of the cat but I am betting you wouldn't get far if the cat was off your property when the incident occurred.

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 10:09

Miniminxymoo · 17/04/2025 10:06

And when did I say she has ever killed an animal? There are numerous comments here from dog owners that their dogs chase cats in the garden too. Did they say they had ever killed an animal?

I was trying to advise around the law. Your OP mentions your neighbours concern that your dog could kill the cat. Surely you see people with no control over their dogs daily, doesn't mean they are good dog owners or wouldn't be on the wrong side of the law if their dog caused harm. Lots of people believe 'I can do what I like on my own property' but it isn't true.

godmum56 · 17/04/2025 10:08

ftp · 17/04/2025 10:01

this. Cats are classed as vermin. Not your problem. Neighbour needs to provide a litter tray and toys, not expect your garden to provide. If you have children, give them water guns to discourage it too

nope. cats are not classed as vermin. They are classed as property.

Miniminxymoo · 17/04/2025 10:06

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 10:00

If your dog killed an animal then it wasn't in your control at the point. It was out of control.

And when did I say she has ever killed an animal? There are numerous comments here from dog owners that their dogs chase cats in the garden too. Did they say they had ever killed an animal?

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Nextdoor55 · 17/04/2025 10:05

ftp · 17/04/2025 10:01

this. Cats are classed as vermin. Not your problem. Neighbour needs to provide a litter tray and toys, not expect your garden to provide. If you have children, give them water guns to discourage it too

Eh? Vermin? They're in the same class as dogs in law, considered as chatel or property.
Both probably love their pets so lets be a bit more sensitive, comments like this are unhelpful.

Miniminxymoo · 17/04/2025 10:04

RunningJo · 17/04/2025 09:59

This is why teaching recall is so important (which I believe the OP said they are doing)
Both of my dogs chase cats if ever they get into our garden (very rare), as they are protecting (I assume) their territory.

One of my dogs is a Gundog breed and I'm very aware of his breeding.
If he sees a squirrel or rabbit he gives chase, but he’s trained to come back when recalled, which he does. He has gone to chase a cat that ran out in front of us once, but turned around and came back to me when shouted.
The Cat in the garden is a different matter though, because it’s the dog’s garden they bark, the same way if someone entered the garden they didn’t know, they bark. They don’t bark at people on a walk so not all ‘garden reactive’ behaviour is copied outside. (Which is a pity as my dog walks beautifully on lead when training in the garden, but can be a bit of a twat outside on his lead 🤣)

Regardless of a dog’s prey drive, teaching recall is a must, but most dogs will give chase to a cat in their garden.

Yes, very much working on recall. Currently only let her off lead in a secure field which we rent by the hour whilst we train. She’s doing really well bless her, helped by the fact she enjoys her treats! Won’t let her off lead elsewhere until I’m fully confident with recall and even then I won’t do it everywhere. As you say, it’s a different matter in the garden as that is her own space, her own territory.

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Nextdoor55 · 17/04/2025 10:03

godmum56 · 17/04/2025 09:57

Civil matters cost megabucks. It may be possible to take such a matter to court but you'd need to be both rich and prepared to lose.

Not really, you don't need a solicitor to do civil cases not in the UK. Would be small claims court. Doesn't cost much at all.

ftp · 17/04/2025 10:01

DissDissOrDiss · 17/04/2025 06:54

Cats gonna cat and dogs gonna dog.

Their cat will soon learn to keep its distance and if it doesn’t, it’s as daft as its owners.

this. Cats are classed as vermin. Not your problem. Neighbour needs to provide a litter tray and toys, not expect your garden to provide. If you have children, give them water guns to discourage it too

ViolasandViolets · 17/04/2025 10:01

Richiewoo · 17/04/2025 10:00

It's your garden Their cat their problem. The council won't accept their complaint.

Why would the council be involved at all?

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 10:00

Miniminxymoo · 17/04/2025 09:58

My dog isn’t ’out of control’ because she chases the cat in the garden. She is in a secure garden from which she cannot escape.

If your dog killed an animal then it wasn't in your control at the point. It was out of control.

Kbroughton · 17/04/2025 10:00

In my experience labs are big babies that would bit know what to do if they caught a cat, and cats are more then a match for most dogs. A quick snack from a cat is usually more then enough to send the average dog running away. Your neighbours are being ridiculous. I say that as a cat and dog owner. My cat runs rings around my dogs! Obviously you wouldn't want a cat harmed (although I do think this is unlikely) but cats are not than capable of getting out of dogs way as well. They are your neighbours though so not good to fall out. I would be kind to them and say of course you will look to see if the cat is out but of course you can't check the whole garden.

Richiewoo · 17/04/2025 10:00

It's your garden Their cat their problem. The council won't accept their complaint.

RunningJo · 17/04/2025 09:59

Crazydoglady1980 · 17/04/2025 07:58

I voted you are being unreasonable, not because of the cat, but everytime your dog chases the cat, it is reinforcing the behaviour of chasing prey. Although this is not an issue now, if you do plan to let your dog off lead in the woods etc, it will react the same, and there won’t be the boundaries of the garden to stop them.

This is why teaching recall is so important (which I believe the OP said they are doing)
Both of my dogs chase cats if ever they get into our garden (very rare), as they are protecting (I assume) their territory.

One of my dogs is a Gundog breed and I'm very aware of his breeding.
If he sees a squirrel or rabbit he gives chase, but he’s trained to come back when recalled, which he does. He has gone to chase a cat that ran out in front of us once, but turned around and came back to me when shouted.
The Cat in the garden is a different matter though, because it’s the dog’s garden they bark, the same way if someone entered the garden they didn’t know, they bark. They don’t bark at people on a walk so not all ‘garden reactive’ behaviour is copied outside. (Which is a pity as my dog walks beautifully on lead when training in the garden, but can be a bit of a twat outside on his lead 🤣)

Regardless of a dog’s prey drive, teaching recall is a must, but most dogs will give chase to a cat in their garden.

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 09:59

Dumbdog · 17/04/2025 09:56

The definition of out of control involves harm to humans or service animals. Unless it’s a guide cat, the OP is safe from prosecution

Whilst that is true, if OPs dog had previously killed a cat and the owner had evidence. The OPs dog then escaped and barked or growled at a person (or the neighbour claimed it did) this could be used as evidence of previous incidents with the dog.

godmum56 · 17/04/2025 09:59

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 09:54

We don't have a dangerous cats act but we do have a dangerous dogs act. It is somewhat open to interpretation. Whilst a cat is regarded as property, if your dog is regarded as acting out of control (even on your own property) you can face a fine, prison sentence and be ordered to have the dog destroyed.

a dog is also regarded as property.....I don't see what your point is?

EsmeShelby · 17/04/2025 09:58

My cat is a twat and torments the neighbours dogs in their garden. The fault if he gets injured is entirely his. He knows the dogs are there and he does it on purpose.

Miniminxymoo · 17/04/2025 09:58

Quiethouse · 17/04/2025 09:54

We don't have a dangerous cats act but we do have a dangerous dogs act. It is somewhat open to interpretation. Whilst a cat is regarded as property, if your dog is regarded as acting out of control (even on your own property) you can face a fine, prison sentence and be ordered to have the dog destroyed.

My dog isn’t ’out of control’ because she chases the cat in the garden. She is in a secure garden from which she cannot escape.

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godmum56 · 17/04/2025 09:57

Nextdoor55 · 17/04/2025 09:28

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/61877/what-happens-if-my-dog-kills-a-cat-in-my-garden-uk

Oh well it seems it's not that straightforward. The neighbours might be right because although the dog owner would avoid criminal charges, maybe not civil.

Civil matters cost megabucks. It may be possible to take such a matter to court but you'd need to be both rich and prepared to lose.

Hoppinggreen · 17/04/2025 09:56

I would love to see that complaint to the Council.
Cats aren't generally stupid and it will soon figure out that your garden is no longer safe. I have cats and love them to bits but I also have a dog and while he has no chance of ever catching a cat the local ones know our garden is off limits or they will get a thorough barking at.