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To speak to my neighbour's about her disabled child?

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RootsBeforeTheFruits · 16/04/2025 23:16

OK I've named changed....

I've recently moved house and have been at the new house about 9 months, for the first few months next door was empty and being renovated. Once it finished it was quickly rented out to my current neighbour's. She's a nice enough woman we have a gab in passing, she had a son with additional needs.

Here's the problem ....it's a terraced style house and he frequently bangs shit out of the walls, in the day I don't mind as much it's the day, but he bangs well into the night i don't mean the odd tapping it's actually shaking our walls. It frequently wakes my children up in the night and they've been extra tired in school.

Do I speak to her about it, i explain to the children that he has additional needs and more than likely can't help this behavior, I really don't know what to do

OP posts:
WellINeverrr · 17/04/2025 17:40

Vinvertebrate · 17/04/2025 16:02

Okay, so we can all agree that the OP’s children should be able to sleep soundly and not be tired at school. No argument here. 👍🏻

Has it changed the situation next door yet? 🙄

🙄🙄🙄 No it hasn't changed the situatuon. However your advice of acting with kindness was the most pointless advice ever seeing as the OP didn't say anything to suggest that she was going to go in all guns blazing. Reminding her to go in with kindness implied that there was something to indicate that she wouldn't be. Basically implying that she should put up with it and that it would be acting against the spirit of kindness to do otherwise.

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:40

Sheeparelooseagain · 17/04/2025 17:30

"Banging on party walls till they tremble sounds pretty damned violent to me."

Banging on walls is usually a sensory need. It has nothing to do with hurting anyone else.

🙄

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:39

Bumpitybumper · 17/04/2025 17:37

I don't agree with sedating children but it is insane to characterise OP's scenario as a merely unhappy neighbour. She and her family are being deprived of essential sleep for hours on end every night. It's not some little issue like the fence being broken or the neighbour's garden looking a bit untidy. She is being deprived of a basic human need!

My point, which you agree with, is that it isn't reason enough to start sedating disabled children.

DrPrunesqualer · 17/04/2025 17:39

Seventree · 17/04/2025 13:57

In theory, but if his disability means that he can't help banging the walls then there may not be much his mum can do. Obviously you can't restrain a disabled child because his actions bother the neighbours.

OP, I would speak to her and ask if there's anything she can do (it's possible she doesn't realise the sound is travelling through the walls). But if it's unavoidable I think you need to consider how you can minimise the noise from your side.

No.
OPdoes not need to go to any expense in sorting this out.
It is purely the responsibility of those causing the issue

Bumpitybumper · 17/04/2025 17:37

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:34

Again, because it is 2025 and we don't do that to children any more. Especially just to keep the neighbours happy.

Who would sedate the child?
What about side effects?
The cost?
The fact that you simply can't just continue to sedate a human being for the rest of their lives?

I don't agree with sedating children but it is insane to characterise OP's scenario as a merely unhappy neighbour. She and her family are being deprived of essential sleep for hours on end every night. It's not some little issue like the fence being broken or the neighbour's garden looking a bit untidy. She is being deprived of a basic human need!

lala66 · 17/04/2025 17:36

I do sympathetise, it must be incredibly difficult. I don't think there's an easy answer for this, if the boy is non verbal there's probably nothing his mum can do to stop it. Other posters won't understand this unless they parent a child at the same Severity. You can address it with her, but please try to be sympathetic- she's already probably worried about what you're thinking. Unfortunately not all parents with children with severe learning difficulties can afford detached properties, (and the council certainly won't house them in any) so inevitably these situations will happen - you won't be the only one. It might be best to move house.

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:34

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:30

Why couldn’t an autistic person be sedated just like any other person being sedated during a meltdown or episode? We have calming drugs for a reason. It would seem a kindness.

Again, because it is 2025 and we don't do that to children any more. Especially just to keep the neighbours happy.

Who would sedate the child?
What about side effects?
The cost?
The fact that you simply can't just continue to sedate a human being for the rest of their lives?

Sheeparelooseagain · 17/04/2025 17:34

"Why couldn’t an autistic person be sedated just like any other person being sedated during a meltdown or episode? "

It is risky especially when it is someone is unable to communicate.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 17/04/2025 17:32

Vinvertebrate · 17/04/2025 17:31

Maybe the ableist community could live in a special, purpose built retirement-type village, from where they can demand easy solutions to difficult problems (a la Trump), and enjoy a set of stocks on the village green for any ND folk foolish enough to stray over the border? In an ideal world, obviously. 🙄

It's not abelist to acknowledge and support OPs rights.

The cause is irrelevant.
The OP is posting.
She is the one we are advising

Vinvertebrate · 17/04/2025 17:31

Maybe the ableist community could live in a special, purpose built retirement-type village, from where they can demand easy solutions to difficult problems (a la Trump), and enjoy a set of stocks on the village green for any ND folk foolish enough to stray over the border? In an ideal world, obviously. 🙄

Sheeparelooseagain · 17/04/2025 17:30

"Banging on party walls till they tremble sounds pretty damned violent to me."

Banging on walls is usually a sensory need. It has nothing to do with hurting anyone else.

x2boys · 17/04/2025 17:30

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:28

Yes, that’s why I prefaced with “it’s too bad…”

Stop trying to nitpickingly find fault with people who aren’t on board with being subjected to violent uncontrolled noise in their own homes.

Well stop trying to be offensive about disabled children then
And nobody wants violent ,uncontrolled noise in their homes least of parents of disabled childen.

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:30

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:24

You can't medicate autism. 🙄

There's melatonin to help some children sleep but of course it won't take away stimming or their need for sensory seeking including hitting walls.

Why couldn’t an autistic person be sedated just like any other person being sedated during a meltdown or episode? We have calming drugs for a reason. It would seem a kindness.

Snoopdoggydog123 · 17/04/2025 17:30

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:28

They aren't doing it to be violent, they are doing it to sensory seek and because they like how it feels without understanding that it is noisy and will disturb the neighbours from sleeping.

But the outcome is the same.
Which means it's a nuisance and damaging the OPs right to peaceful enjoyment. Especially at night.

Bumpitybumper · 17/04/2025 17:30

Vinvertebrate · 17/04/2025 17:21

It’s highly unlikely that a disabled child making involuntary noise would be considered a statutory noise nuisance, so the “noise protection laws” (ie the Environmental Protection Act, policed by the LA) would not even be in play. Even if it were, the “balancing act” looks very different in the case of a severely disabled dependent child, compared to an adult living independently.

And the EA would also kick in by ensuring that an autistic child (assuming a typical presentation) would not be hoofed into temporary accommodation for a neighbour’s convenience, which was my original point. Not putting an autistic child in a B&B is broadly similar to not putting a child in a wheelchair on the fourth floor without a lift.

It is totally possible for a disabled child making involuntary noise to be considered a statutory nuisance. The criteria are that:

it must cause significant interference to the normal occupation of a premises by a person of average sensitivity
it must be caused by some unreasonable or unusual act or omission or behaviour

Councils may well stipulate they won't investigate 'normal' noises from children playing or babies crying but someone headbutting the wall into the early hours of the morning clearly isn't usual or reasonable.

The autistic child may well not be put in a B&B but they may be evicted from their current accommodation and offered a suitable alternative. They don't have an automatic right to remain where they are just because they are autistic.

OldCottageGreenhouse · 17/04/2025 17:30

@x2boysThats all great but that’s not OP’s problem. Her kids have a right to sleep in their own home

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:28

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:26

Banging on party walls till they tremble sounds pretty damned violent to me.

They aren't doing it to be violent, they are doing it to sensory seek and because they like how it feels without understanding that it is noisy and will disturb the neighbours from sleeping.

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:28

x2boys · 17/04/2025 17:24

Well yes that would be lovely but we dont live in an ideal world.

Yes, that’s why I prefaced with “it’s too bad…”

Stop trying to nitpickingly find fault with people who aren’t on board with being subjected to violent uncontrolled noise in their own homes.

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:27

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:22

Not hidden, but provided with a home that can meet their needs. Sounds like this family could benefit from a detached house with rooms padded or whatever so the child has less chance of injuring himself or family members.

A detached home with padded rooms would be amazing but expensive. Most disabled children's parents, especially if they are single and/or unable to work due to their child's needs will not be able to afford it and the council isn't going to house them into a detached home with all of the adaptations needed.

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:26

Sheeparelooseagain · 17/04/2025 17:22

Banging on walls doesn't equal violent and uncontrollable. It won't be the children like this who are terrorising the elderly, selling drugs and being a nuisance in public places.

Banging on party walls till they tremble sounds pretty damned violent to me.

x2boys · 17/04/2025 17:24

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:22

Not hidden, but provided with a home that can meet their needs. Sounds like this family could benefit from a detached house with rooms padded or whatever so the child has less chance of injuring himself or family members.

Well yes that would be lovely but we dont live in an ideal world.

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:24

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:20

@Madthingsasking as a layperson, is there any point at which it would be a kindness to medicate these individuals rather than permitting the violence? It must be awful for them; would not a calming medicine help?

You can't medicate autism. 🙄

There's melatonin to help some children sleep but of course it won't take away stimming or their need for sensory seeking including hitting walls.

Sheeparelooseagain · 17/04/2025 17:22

Banging on walls doesn't equal violent and uncontrollable. It won't be the children like this who are terrorising the elderly, selling drugs and being a nuisance in public places.

TheHerboriste · 17/04/2025 17:22

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2025 17:17

It's 2025. Disabled children are no longer hidden away thankfully.

Not hidden, but provided with a home that can meet their needs. Sounds like this family could benefit from a detached house with rooms padded or whatever so the child has less chance of injuring himself or family members.

Vinvertebrate · 17/04/2025 17:21

Bumpitybumper · 17/04/2025 17:14

It is obvious that unless an almost identical case is brought to court then we don't really know what would be considered proportionate in cases like this. My point was more that the EA does not trump noise nuisance laws. It is indeed about balancing needs and rights.

It’s highly unlikely that a disabled child making involuntary noise would be considered a statutory noise nuisance, so the “noise protection laws” (ie the Environmental Protection Act, policed by the LA) would not even be in play. Even if it were, the “balancing act” looks very different in the case of a severely disabled dependent child, compared to an adult living independently.

And the EA would also kick in by ensuring that an autistic child (assuming a typical presentation) would not be hoofed into temporary accommodation for a neighbour’s convenience, which was my original point. Not putting an autistic child in a B&B is broadly similar to not putting a child in a wheelchair on the fourth floor without a lift.