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I don't think people are saying trans women shouldn't have rights. They should be able to go about their lives not being assaulted, abused, they should be able to work and live like everyone else. But their rights should not trump women's rights to safety and it shouldn't be as easy as a man to walk into women's areas by saying they've decided they're Lucy not Steve today and get into sex segregated areas.

Having a special word to denote that I am not a trans woman is about as necessary as having a special word to denote that I am not a plumber, a resident of Ross on Wye, or a keen bird watcher. It's only possible value would be its use by members of the community who were those things in order to indicate to each other I was not. Absolutely no need for a word within the mainstream to denote that people are not part of a tiny minority.

Trans women have the same rights as anyone else. What they want are rights to go into spaces and sports they shouldn’t. Not everyone should get what they want. Exclusion sometimes is necessary.

To be honest I hate this debate, because I do think trans women should have some rights and there is no easy solution for this but I do detest being called a cis woman. I am a woman, not cis.

Where did the OP state that it was the only source of annoyance for her? People are allowed to be annoyed about more than one thing, with varying degrees of seriousness/importance.

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It’s offensive and surely now confined to the dustbin of obsolete terminology, given yesterday’s legal ruling.

Anyone who uses it is a) very thick or b) being deliberately provocative or c) unable to see past their own blinkered nonsensical twisted beliefs. I think there’s an overlap between a) and c).

No idea but I would hazard a guess, not someone they would describe as a 'cis' woman 😂

People trying very hard to make fetch male women happen.

Who the bloody hell invented this word cis??

Load of utter nonsense.

Such a funny thread to read through about such a pile of old bollocks. I really wish I could eloquently put into words how I feel about the whole ridiculous thing. Thank you so much to all of you that can and do and all of the women who did not give up and made the new law that’s been passed happen.

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I just don't understand the need to enter women's private areas. If gay men were wanting to use our spaces because they seemed men's areas to be a risk to them. Women would quite rightly be able to say hell no, but yet it's acceptable for a man to say they identify as a woman and we shouldn't say anything because it's unkind but allowing any male in a female space is posing a risk and causing women to feel vulnerable. They are physically stronger and if they haven't had any surgery are just as capable of rape. Not all men would harm a woman but some would there is a reason single sex areas exist. I don't know how we got to this point that the lines are so blurred

So how does this fit with being born a man and you “are a woman” you are a trans woman? I feel there may be a double standard coming somewhere but await your clarification

If this happened, you can bet your life that trans women would start identifying as cis women.

I really don't like the term cis, I would probably warm to it, if it were to be used to protect women and girls e.g. cis women only changing rooms. Tbh female changing rooms should be clear enough, but it would make clear to transwomen that still pose a male risk to women that they need to clearly use facilities for their sex not gender

All I think when I see cis in terms of cis and trans is stereoisomers. I was a chemistry teacher over 10 years ago.

I am not a cis woman, I’m a woman.

As I said before, there is no such thing as being a different gender from your biological sex.

Being "cisgender" is actually best described as "not having a mental disorder or paraphilia which makes someone want to live as the opposite sex".

How the hell is that an identity?

In case anyone is hovering over the report button, "mental disorder" is the terminology used by the World Health Organisation. It is not intended to be a slur.

Yep - I find it intolerable. Women should be women and anyone who wants to define themselves as a woman or changed sex from birth should have the additional words or terms applied of their choosing.

Gender isn't real.

Some people feel profoundly uncomfortable with their biological sex.

In some cases this is most likely internalised homophobia. In other cases it may be a trauma response to sexual assault. In other cases it may be linked to autism. In some cases it may defy explanation.

Some men are sexually aroused by the thought of themselves as women. This is a paraphilia and there is a scientific name for it.

Some women and girls dislike all things feminine and prefer stereotypically masculine clothing, haircuts and hobbies. In previous generations they would have been called tomboys and left in peace to grow out of it (or not grow out of it). Now they are being encouraged to believe they are boys, and pushed towards irreversible medical interventions.

But gender is a social construct, which is a fancy way of saying it is silly made up nonsense.

Sex is real.

Saying someone's gender is different to their sex is a bit like saying their eye colour doesn't match their star sign. Well, no, of course it doesn't. Why on earth would it?

I think that not conforming to gender stereotypes and actually feeling like a different gender from your biological sex are different things.

I don’t conform to many female gender stereotypes. I have many characteristics that are more commonly associated with men. But I still don’t feel like a man.

Some people think they're jesus or napoleon. Some people think they're good singers, or that they look awesome in flares. People think all sorts of things that might not be true.

If it's an innate identity, what happens if I'm asleep or unconscious? Am I allowed to be just a woman then? Since if I'm not thinking, how can I be feeling like a woman?

How can you have an innate sense of something if you can’t define what that something is?

That's circular - I'm a woman, so any feelings I have are woman feelings, therefore I feel like a woman...

I am a woman due to my sex and age. I feel like myself, and have no idea how other people feel internally, no matter their sex, so I can't logically compare those feelings and see if they are the same.

I do not need to identify as a woman, I am clearly identified as one, and my feelings about that are entirely irrelevant.

As I don't have a gender identity, I am not cis. I will accept 'real' or 'actual' if you decide that I absolutely need a modifier on woman.

Ok, well, Oxford Dictionary defines gender identity as “a person's innate sense of their gender.” That is my understanding of it too.

What do you think is happening when somebody says they feel a different gender from their biological sex? Do you think they’re just lying about how they feel? I don’t think they’re lying. I think they really feel that way, because that is just how their brains are wired, or maybe due to the balance or hormones or chemicals in their body, etc. There has to be a term to define or explain this phenomenon, surely? Otherwise, it would be very hard to talk about or refer to.