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Delivery · 16/04/2025 22:27

Just read an article about the Supreme Court judgement today. It repeatedly refers to Cis women. I get so unbelievably annoyed by that term.

I am not a ‘Cis’ woman. I just hate the term. If you want to be a trans woman, fine. That’s what you are. Don’t make me the other side of your imaginary coin. Don’t make me call myself something I’m not. Don’t make me part of your ‘We’re all just at various points on the woman spectrum’ nonsense.

There are women. And there are trans women. Two entirely different things.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 03:13

The Latin prefix makes zero sense in this context. Women are on the same side as women and men aren’t? Well durr.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 00:50

CowboyJoanna · 17/04/2025 22:06

Cis is a misogynist slur, note how it sounds suspiciously like sis/sissy. It definitely isnt coincidental, and i hope that with the new ruling they make it a slur and people who use it can be held accountable

Yeah.... It is coincidental. Someone needs to brush up on their Latin.
Are you also angry at big farmer ? 🐖

iwentjasonwaterfalls · 17/04/2025 22:37

CowboyJoanna · 17/04/2025 22:06

Cis is a misogynist slur, note how it sounds suspiciously like sis/sissy. It definitely isnt coincidental, and i hope that with the new ruling they make it a slur and people who use it can be held accountable

It really is coincidental that it sounds like "sis" - "cis" is a prefix meaning "the same as", it's the opposite of the prefix "trans". It's a term used in chemistry that has become used to describe gender.

HornungTheHelpful · 17/04/2025 22:32

Dandelion193 · 17/04/2025 14:24

Some racist white people would quite happily call a black person the 'n' word. The general consensus is that is a horrible word to describe a black person. I could not call myself black because simply I am not, even if I fancied identifying myself in that way. 🤷 If they would like to use the 'n' word when referring to themselves then fine, crack on, but I would fully expect to get called out if I used that language and they didn't appreciate it

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And? Don’t understand where you’re going with this. I was asking the PP I quoted if both women and trans women had to accept being called something they object to?

The comparison with the racial slur you mention is a false one; calling someone a man may be something that doesn't like but it’s not near-universally recognised as offensive. It also doesn’t have the history that’s offensive. If someone wants me to use the feminine forms of address even if they are a man I will because I don’t think that hurts anyone and certainly doesn’t hurt me. But any decision other than the SC one would have been hugely problematic in many ways.

In a functional society we need to have commonality; one person’s preferences cannot dictate how we all behave. Indeed that would be impossible because we all want different things - as demonstrated by the extreme polarisation around this issue. Not everybody can have what they want.

This differs from your racial slur example where a social consensus has largely been achieved - few people other than with the “cultural permission” use it. Those that do are in the vast majority those who mean it to be offensive. Some people are vile.

CowboyJoanna · 17/04/2025 22:06

Cis is a misogynist slur, note how it sounds suspiciously like sis/sissy. It definitely isnt coincidental, and i hope that with the new ruling they make it a slur and people who use it can be held accountable

blacksax · 17/04/2025 22:05

If anyone ever calls me a CIS woman, I shall not be answerable for my actions.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 17/04/2025 22:00

Bogginsthe3rd · 16/04/2025 23:45

I guess if you were born a woman and you are a woman you are a cis woman. It's a just a term which you don't have to use if you don't want.

And I guess that if you were born a woman, you do not need a prefix to the word which describes your sex.

You're a woman. Just that.

Namerchangee · 17/04/2025 21:59

YANBU. I am not a ‘cis’ anything. I’m female. I’m a woman. End of. Can’t wait for the utter end of this nonsense.

Shubbypubby · 17/04/2025 21:57

Why is “gender” assigned but race is not? Why was I assigned female at birth but not being white? If I decided I was black because I felt black, acted black and dressed black I would be rightly pilloried, so why is sex/“gender” (which is imaginary) any different?

Shubbypubby · 17/04/2025 21:46

You can’t feel/act/dress like a woman or a girl. You either are one or you aren’t. Cis is a completely redundant term and gender is a made up concept.

Igmum · 17/04/2025 18:14

YADNBU

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 17/04/2025 17:15

ihmysrn · 17/04/2025 12:04

Hopefully we will see less of this now, now that the courts have determined that trans women are not women, that leaves us with the term women. Trans women should not be referred to as women.

Oh I do hope so 🙏

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 17/04/2025 17:14

TheBerry · 17/04/2025 11:53

No it doesn’t? Cis just means you feel the same gender as your biological sex. So no biological men will ever be grouped with cis women.

It’s not a term I really use, though I guess I might say “cis women” to clarify as it’s quicker than saying “biological women”. Normally, I’d just say “women”.

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Babe / dude - I just don’t think you’re getting what other posters are saying on this thread.

HRTQueen · 17/04/2025 16:42

I am a woman - an adult female human being and will ignore any prat who uses the term cis woman

we all know what being a female is.

absolutely no need for a prefix and only started to come in use when a few males decided that women needed a prefix

once again men trying to decide what is right for us women

HaddyAbrams · 17/04/2025 16:20

I do know one man who refers to himself as cis, and have heard the term a few times. It's far less common than cis woman though.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 17/04/2025 16:07

SapphOhNo · 16/04/2025 23:43

Can't get too exercised over it. Count yourself lucky if that's what you have to worry about

Oh come on - I have many, many other things to worry about in my life, I still hate the term cis and won't use it.

If we can all identify as we want, and that should always be respected, how come that doesn't apply to women who don't like being called cis? It's because it ties into the bigger issue of general misogyny, which is well worth being concerned about.

CautiousLurker01 · 17/04/2025 15:58

Proudtobeanortherner · 17/04/2025 14:48

Why is it a term that is necessary at all? My biological sex is: woman. We don’t have CIS men so why do we have CIS women.

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Actually we do have cis men - usually its used to refer to cis gay men as if to imply a) they are somehow not gay enough and b) they are traitors the LGBTQIA++etc community.

So, it’s also imposed, implies judgment and is still a slur. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 17/04/2025 15:52

Isittimeformynapyet · 17/04/2025 00:51

My partner has cancer AND I hate the cis term. Go fucking figure.

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I was about to
post similar. I have a life changing diagnosis for the worse and I’m bothered about this stuff.

I never understand why people say that.

5128gap · 17/04/2025 15:34

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 15:21

We do have cis men though 😂

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Yes. Somehow can't imagine a group of blokes diligently remembering to refer to themselves as cis men so as not to make Jack (formerly known as Emma) feel less of a man though.

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 15:32

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 15:23

They’re just men. No cis required

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PP was saying why should we have cis women if we don't have cis men. I was simply saying that society does acknowledge both cis men and women, whatever your opinion is.

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 15:23

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 15:21

We do have cis men though 😂

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They’re just men. No cis required

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 15:21

Proudtobeanortherner · 17/04/2025 14:48

Why is it a term that is necessary at all? My biological sex is: woman. We don’t have CIS men so why do we have CIS women.

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We do have cis men though 😂

NoFrillyStuff · 17/04/2025 15:14

Thankfully, I don’t hang around in circles where somebody would refer to me as a ‘cis’ woman.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/04/2025 15:11

Absent a belief in gender identity ideology “cis” makes zero sense, the way it is used by TRAs and their supporters.

It’s often claimed as a neutral term for “non trans” - this isn’t in fact true as if it were, a “cis woman” is a non trans woman. So a “trans woman” would be a biologically female person who identifies as a man.

Which is of course not how genderists use it.

Proudtobeanortherner · 17/04/2025 14:48

Bogginsthe3rd · 16/04/2025 23:45

I guess if you were born a woman and you are a woman you are a cis woman. It's a just a term which you don't have to use if you don't want.

Why is it a term that is necessary at all? My biological sex is: woman. We don’t have CIS men so why do we have CIS women.