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Delivery · 16/04/2025 22:27

Just read an article about the Supreme Court judgement today. It repeatedly refers to Cis women. I get so unbelievably annoyed by that term.

I am not a ‘Cis’ woman. I just hate the term. If you want to be a trans woman, fine. That’s what you are. Don’t make me the other side of your imaginary coin. Don’t make me call myself something I’m not. Don’t make me part of your ‘We’re all just at various points on the woman spectrum’ nonsense.

There are women. And there are trans women. Two entirely different things.

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lnks · 18/04/2025 19:00

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:50

You are just repeating yourself now, but missing the point. As a (presumed) cis woman you were born female but also identify as being female.

So we don’t have the right to tell trans people how they do or don’t ‘identify’, but you have the right to label us as ‘cis’

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:59

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:58

Why are you creeping around intensive care units checking these people? If they have always been a woman there would be no need to presume otherwise.

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But they don't identify as anything. They're brain dead.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:57

@Bogginsthe3rd If a woman is someone who identifies as a woman, how do we know whether someone in a persistent vegetative state is a man or a woman?

Why are you creeping around intensive care units checking these people? If they have always been a woman there would be no need to presume otherwise.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:57

@Bogginsthe3rd If a woman is someone who identifies as a woman, how do we know whether someone in a persistent vegetative state is a man or a woman?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/04/2025 18:56

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:46

You sound angry PP. No one has presumed to know how you feel, indeed you vehemently say so. How then can you propose to know how others feel?

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That’s what you’re doing.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/04/2025 18:55

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:50

You are just repeating yourself now, but missing the point. As a (presumed) cis woman you were born female but also identify as being female.

Why do you just keep repeating incorrect statements? I certainly don’t identify with being a woman. I just am a woman. I have no woman identity as it’s been like that since day dot.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:51

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:50

You are just repeating yourself now, but missing the point. As a (presumed) cis woman you were born female but also identify as being female.

No, I was just born female and I still am female.

What are you not getting?

Do you need me to draw it with crayons?

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/04/2025 18:50

How then can you propose to know how others feel?

@Bogginsthe3rd but that's exactly what men with gender identities do. They declare that they feel like women. Which suggests a) there is a way women feel b) men can know how it feels and feel it too. Madness. As you have just acknowledged no-one can know how someone else (either a group or and individual) feels.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:50

You are just repeating yourself now, but missing the point. As a (presumed) cis woman you were born female but also identify as being female.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:47

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:46

You sound angry PP. No one has presumed to know how you feel, indeed you vehemently say so. How then can you propose to know how others feel?

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Saying you feel like a woman is saying you know how women feel.

No you don't.

You don't know how anyone else feels.

And it's irrelevant, because being a woman has got fuck all to do with feelings and is entirely about biology.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:46

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:44

It's a fucking stupid thought experiment which belongs in the dustbin of history.

Any man who presumes to know how I feel and tell me that he feels the same way and that makes us both women can get knotted, quite frankly.

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You sound angry PP. No one has presumed to know how you feel, indeed you vehemently say so. How then can you propose to know how others feel?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:44

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:41

But you innately do identify as being a woman. That is part of you saying I simply am a woman. It is not that hard to imagine that others may feel like you, that there should be no debate as to identity as that is who they are. It's not too hard a thought experiment to grasp.

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It's a fucking stupid thought experiment which belongs in the dustbin of history.

Any man who presumes to know how I feel and tell me that he feels the same way and that makes us both women can get knotted, quite frankly.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 18:41

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:37

Have you not learned anything in the last 48 hours?

The only people who feel the need to identify as women are people who are actually men.

The rest of us don't identify as women, we just are.

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But you innately do identify as being a woman. That is part of you saying I simply am a woman. It is not that hard to imagine that others may feel like you, that there should be no debate as to identity as that is who they are. It's not too hard a thought experiment to grasp.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:37

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 15:11

Exactly you are a woman who also identifies as being a woman.

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Have you not learned anything in the last 48 hours?

The only people who feel the need to identify as women are people who are actually men.

The rest of us don't identify as women, we just are.

Helleofabore · 18/04/2025 18:25

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 15:11

Exactly you are a woman who also identifies as being a woman.

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And your logic continues to be as flawed today as it was yesterday.

Swiftie1878 · 18/04/2025 18:21

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:10

It's not even true to say that "cis woman" means the same as biological woman, because trans men are biological women.

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Exactly why you should just say woman.

Swiftie1878 · 18/04/2025 18:20

Delivery · 17/04/2025 07:30

No, i sourced it from The Guardian, but thanks for telling me where I got my article from. I didn’t link it because it’s so annoying, but here you go.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/16/supreme-court-definition-woman-judges-law

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That’s The Guardian using the term ‘cis’, not the judges.

BrilliantBrilliant · 18/04/2025 18:14

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 15:11

Exactly you are a woman who also identifies as being a woman.

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No she's just a woman. No need to identify as what she just is. Seriously stop trying to shoehorn your silly ideology onto others. Enough already.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:10

C152 · 18/04/2025 17:55

There is no need to say 'biological woman'. Just say woman.

Being 'pedantic with semantics' is what has enabled women to keep the protections afford by the Equality Act.

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It's not even true to say that "cis woman" means the same as biological woman, because trans men are biological women.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 18/04/2025 18:04

@Bogginsthe3rd come on now, you have argued that we all in fact 'cis' women because we have thoughts and feelings and as women they are therefore women's thoughts/feelings and so they equal a female gender. But you also seem to think that some men can have these female thoughts/feelings and so are actually women despite being men but you can't tell us what these magic lady thinks are that having them in your head means you are woman gender. You are going to have to do better than that. What is this magic sense of femaleness that you are certain I have because I really don't think I have it.

C152 · 18/04/2025 17:55

TheBerry · 17/04/2025 12:02

I don’t think anything is inherently offensive.

I also think this discussion is being a little pedantic with semantics.

If you don’t like the term cis woman, just say biological woman. They mean the same thing in modern lingo. I usually say woman, or biological woman if some clarification is needed.

In the rare case that somebody has female external genitalia, but male DNA, leading them to be recorded female at birth, I think the situation is nuanced. I’m not sure what the correct term for those people would be. I think we need to be a little bit flexible for truly intersex people like that.

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There is no need to say 'biological woman'. Just say woman.

Being 'pedantic with semantics' is what has enabled women to keep the protections afford by the Equality Act.

EasterParadeHats · 18/04/2025 16:28

How on earth can a reply be hidden in a rose thread

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 16:18

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/04/2025 16:01

Because my GCS is 15.

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But how do you know your GCS isn't 14 and you aren't entirely confused but think you are orientated ?

BiologicalRobot · 18/04/2025 16:03

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 15:44

Because it is an innate response. How do you know you are conscious?

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For the second time of asking - what is this innate feeling? Describe it. Be the first to ever do that.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/04/2025 16:01

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 15:44

Because it is an innate response. How do you know you are conscious?

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Because my GCS is 15.