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Delivery · 16/04/2025 22:27

Just read an article about the Supreme Court judgement today. It repeatedly refers to Cis women. I get so unbelievably annoyed by that term.

I am not a ‘Cis’ woman. I just hate the term. If you want to be a trans woman, fine. That’s what you are. Don’t make me the other side of your imaginary coin. Don’t make me call myself something I’m not. Don’t make me part of your ‘We’re all just at various points on the woman spectrum’ nonsense.

There are women. And there are trans women. Two entirely different things.

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Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 20:15

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 18/04/2025 20:07

How an issue that affects such a teensy percentage of the population has been allowed to wield such power as to try and enact in law, decisions that will affect a gargantuanly larger percentage of the population and had questioners subjected to treatment akin to that from a fascist dictators playbook, has baffled me.

I do agree that this is and should be a minority issue with laws that reflect this but also protect the minority with minimal impact to the majority.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/04/2025 20:12

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 20:02

Well that doesn't logically follow on from your argument. I just said you do have the right to label others as you see fit as someone may or may not describe you as a cis woman. You may of course reject this as is your right.

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Oh give it a rest, Boggins!

handsdownthebest · 18/04/2025 20:08

I agree...not sure who made that one up. Just had to explain the term to the husband.

I am not a cis woman...I'm just a woman born and bred

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 18/04/2025 20:07

How an issue that affects such a teensy percentage of the population has been allowed to wield such power as to try and enact in law, decisions that will affect a gargantuanly larger percentage of the population and had questioners subjected to treatment akin to that from a fascist dictators playbook, has baffled me.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 20:02

lnks · 18/04/2025 19:59

Then you have absolutely no right to label me or anyone else as cis

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Well that doesn't logically follow on from your argument. I just said you do have the right to label others as you see fit as someone may or may not describe you as a cis woman. You may of course reject this as is your right.

lnks · 18/04/2025 19:59

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:58

I think you do have the right to label a trans person as you would like, as they have the right to call themselves as they feel.

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Then you have absolutely no right to label me or anyone else as cis

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:58

lnks · 18/04/2025 19:56

I asked you if, given that you think we don’t have a right to dictate how a transperson labels themselves, do you believe that you (or anyone else) have the right to label me and other women as ‘cis’?

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I think you do have the right to label a trans person as you would like, as they have the right to call themselves as they feel.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:57

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:52

No, only the Supreme Court can do that.

And it turns out, they're TERFs.

Bad luck.

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It's no one's luck here or there and indeed you have misrepresented the findings of the supreme court. I'm not sure what you are looking for here? Something akin to a devastating crushing victory of Arsenal over Real Madrid? There isn't an award up for grabs to declare you the champ of the comments, however frustrated you feel

lnks · 18/04/2025 19:56

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:52

Sorry Inks how can I help ?

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I asked you if, given that you think we don’t have a right to dictate how a transperson labels themselves, do you believe that you (or anyone else) have the right to label me and other women as ‘cis’?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:52

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:51

But this is mumsnet. I could show you a poll of guardian readers or channel 4 news watchers. I don't think this poll is going to decide the outcome of anything.

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No, only the Supreme Court can do that.

And it turns out, they're TERFs.

Bad luck.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:52

lnks · 18/04/2025 19:48

@Bogginsthe3rd is being very selective with the questions she/he is answering.

Sorry Inks how can I help ?

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:51

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:49

Let’s crunch the numbers, 7% of poll participants think “cis” is a reasonable term, 93% of poll participants think it isn’t. That’s quite stark.

But this is mumsnet. I could show you a poll of guardian readers or channel 4 news watchers. I don't think this poll is going to decide the outcome of anything.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:49

Let’s crunch the numbers, 7% of poll participants think “cis” is a reasonable term, 93% of poll participants think it isn’t. That’s quite stark.

lnks · 18/04/2025 19:48

@Bogginsthe3rd is being very selective with the questions she/he is answering.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 18/04/2025 19:47

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:39

Given that "cis" means "female" when used as a prefix for "woman" and "male" when used as a prefix for "man", it isn't describing anything at all and is a completely redundant word.

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🤣🤣

HRTQueen · 18/04/2025 19:45

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

you are absolutely correct it’s very straightforward

the complexity of the issue is the individual who wants to believe they are the opposite sex. It’s not a complex issue for anyone else

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:44

Agree @Iammatrix

Iammatrix · 18/04/2025 19:43

@Bogginsthe3rd is getting lots of attention here aren’t they? I suppose the provocative nature of their posts achieves their aim, whilst @Bogginsthe3rd tries to find their way out of the maze!

@Bogginsthe3rd , women on this thread are telling you that they do not identify as women, they just are women.

Do you feel like a human being or a fish? Are
you a human being as opposed to being a fish? I don’t think there is an answer to that because no human being could ever claim to be a fish, because we are not fish and don’t feel
like fish, or maybe we do and are according to your philosophy.

IF and a very big IF, one did claim to be a fish, or feel like a fish, even you would consider that there were MH issues going on.

Therefore, no man can be a woman because they are not! They may claim to be, but let’s consider the fish!

@Bogginsthe3rd Please expound on your philosophy. These bitesized post of yours deserve development!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:43

That’s why I said it was a good point, it wasn’t one I’d made 🙄

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:41

You’re welcome! Enjoy the ideological jargon of your fringe and increasingly unfashionable world view.

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I have hair swept back actually.

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:40

Very good point @MissScarletInTheBallroom

But that's not what you argued 😂

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:41

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:38

So your argument is semantics. Thank you for saying my arguments form an ideology by the way!
So you would put forward that trans women are people born female and identify as male, cis women are born female and identify as female and in reverse, trans men are born male but identify as female and cis men are born male and identify as male.
Makes sense I guess.

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You’re welcome! Enjoy the ideological jargon of your fringe and increasingly unfashionable world view.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:40

Very good point @MissScarletInTheBallroom

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:40

Bogginsthe3rd · 18/04/2025 19:38

So your argument is semantics. Thank you for saying my arguments form an ideology by the way!
So you would put forward that trans women are people born female and identify as male, cis women are born female and identify as female and in reverse, trans men are born male but identify as female and cis men are born male and identify as male.
Makes sense I guess.

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No, women are women and trans women are men who want everyone to pretend they are women.

It really isn't any more complicated than that.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:39

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/04/2025 19:34

It’s not a “describing word” because “trans women” are men, and so by the logic that women are female adult humans (which most people in the world understand to be the case) a “trans woman” would be a female human who identifies as the opposite sex, ie she identifies as a man. But your ideology doesn’t use it that way.

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Given that "cis" means "female" when used as a prefix for "woman" and "male" when used as a prefix for "man", it isn't describing anything at all and is a completely redundant word.