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Indeed. The law states that women are biological women. It is enough now that we have legal clarification to simply use the terms ‘woman’ and ‘trans woman’. ‘Cis’ needs to be expunged from the cultural vocabulary used by social media and academia.

I work in an adult education setting & we definitely do not use the term

That’s hardly an impartial report, as an opinion piece it’s very clear where the author sits. He’s bending over backwards to say the judgement will make no difference, which makes you wonder why the Scottish government allowed it to go so far. Except it will make a significant difference to the rights of women, and he knows it.

Wrong. Trans-identifying male is a term used by some who recognise biological reality, but transactivists hate that term Transwoman was invented as the deliberately confusing term for such men. Transman = Trans-identifying female.

No one need use CIS after today. We are just woman. And men who like to dress like women.

I was put off at the Woolwich works and Glyndebourne with their labelling. G still won't reply to me as a member about this. I have been polite but have said that I expected to be consulted as a member and I hoped they were not enforcing these beliefs on staff without appropriate consultation.

No! Women are women and transwomen are men. They aren't another kind of woman at all, that nonsense is how we got to 'cis'.

There are only women and men. A flat-chested female in male-coded attire is a woman. I'll call her Bruce if she likes. She can call herself a man, a transman, a woman or a teapot. She's still a woman. Yesterday's ruling means that her choice of self-definition doesn't override reality.

And the reality is that there are no extra sexes in humanity, with or without prefixes.

Just want to point out that the article you read may well have been hateful towards women, but the Supreme Court ruling itself does not refer to women in this manner at all and none of its findings can be applied to the group of biological women who also claim a female gender identity. Which makes the article’s use of the slur even less acceptable and gives more grounds for a complaint to the PCC if the publisher is a member.

You're being incredibly, incredibly naive.

That's how people end up "ruled" and "conquered". Being neutral and laissez faire under the #bekind guise.

You have to think long term. One step ahead. What's the ultimate goal ? Where is this leading ?

It's very plain , that "equality" is not the end goal here. If it was, we'd pretty much be kind of there (or as there as you can reasonably get) without compromising the needs of the majority.

First It's a request for one thing , then it ramps up, they want another thing, then more, then even more, then before you know it - here we are pretzling ourselves on calling only females "women" and allowing male criminals to apply some lippy and insert themselves into women's sports and prisons. Wake up! It's happening!

What next ? Women are no longer allowed to call themselves women ? They have to use another term Instead so that men can be called women ?..... Oh wait..... ( ciswomen) and bingo !!

This isn't just happening with the trans movement either. This is happening wide scale. Our way of life that has worked for millennia is coming to a close by today's standards - at this rate, we'll just all be bloody wiped out !

We must get balance back , equality should never progress to domination - from any group of people.

You’re sourcing your news from the wrong places: all the mainstream media is using “biological” as per the judgement.

Seriously, today’s a day to celebrate, not get dragged back into all the old grievances.

Exactly that. It’s infuriating in its self-contradictory presumption.

No, you don't understand. You can't 'feel' like a woman, woman isn't a feeling, it's a neutral biological fact. There is no CIS woman, it's just woman. If you are born female and survive to adulthood you are a woman. It's not a philosophical question it has absolutely zero to do with what you think you are.

Definitely not being unreasonable. I actually ticked other for gender on an application form because there was no female option, it was only ‘cis’ woman. As I object to that bullshit I refused to tick that option. I wrote female in the box as well. I think the ruling today is a positive step in addressing this utter bollocks! I also get annoyed by people adding pronouns to their email signature, it’s especially pointless when it’s women putting she/her. 🙄

I hate when intersex is brought up - its less than 0.05 of the population and 0.01% are not given a gender (male/female) at birth

Compared to the 49.6% female population!

I don't accept being called a cis-woman - I am a woman - I have experienced, sexism, assault , gender inequality - it is part of my 'constructed reality'.

Respecting trans people should not mean redefining my experiences.

It is the use of 'woman' for men who wear nappies, or flash their bits, or commit sexual assault then claim they are women so they can get into a women prison - the tiny number of men using 'trans' as excuse for their shoddy behaviour.. = I honestly feel more men should be shouting about these men - but they don't. They harm life for trans people as well as for women.

Of course you have no idea what kind of life the OP has led. Maybe she has had a serious illness and / or lost a loved one, maybe she’s a stay at home mother or an engineer or an athlete or a combination of all of these things.

Maybe she’s intelligent and able to care about many things all at once. I’m actually very sure of the last.

That's really offensive and shows ignorance from you.

Intersex people are being dragged into the umbrella rainbow to suit an agenda to strengthen the "them and us " the more "us" they add to the alphabet, the stronger the voice.

Intersex people are either male or female, just like 100% of all humans that ever lived. Genitalia may not look uniform , and there may be other internal differences with their reproductive anatomy. But they are still male or female and tests can prove this. They're not a third sex category.

I think it's bloody offensive to drag intersex people into an idealogical agenda.

One is a medical diagnosable physical condition. The other is a snowballed movement based on a theory. (That harms women and children as it happens )

Kindly, you do have a bit of reading to do!

You seem very confused/misinformed about DSDs and how male/female is classified, and this info would help to answer your questions if you are interested in learning.

My partner has cancer AND I hate the cis term. Go fucking figure.

You would give them a hyperlink 😂?

YANBU to not want it used to describe you, just like IANBU to not mind it being used to describe me. We're all different 🙂

This.

I also have some empathy for the small miniscule teeny weeny number of people with true dysphorias, but I don't feel I need to buy into the whole subculture around it . I don't want to oppress or discriminate against them but I am not turning myself inside out over what words or pronouns to use. I accept that if I had a child who identified as trans or NB I might feel differently. But I do think genuine dysphorias, as opposed to identity angst, (didn't we all struggle with lacking a sense of self at that age?it's a normal albeit painful part of growing up) are rare. I know 3 trans people, one I think may be truly dysphoric, the others I think are just non conforming .

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/