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Delivery · 16/04/2025 22:27

Just read an article about the Supreme Court judgement today. It repeatedly refers to Cis women. I get so unbelievably annoyed by that term.

I am not a ‘Cis’ woman. I just hate the term. If you want to be a trans woman, fine. That’s what you are. Don’t make me the other side of your imaginary coin. Don’t make me call myself something I’m not. Don’t make me part of your ‘We’re all just at various points on the woman spectrum’ nonsense.

There are women. And there are trans women. Two entirely different things.

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Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:55

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 17/04/2025 10:52

How do you know that I feel the same as you though? I'm a mixture of likes/dislikes, thoughts and feelings which are probably unique to me. I love cheese and jam sandwiches, my DH hates them so is a love of cheese and jam sandwiches what makes me a woman? Or perhaps it's my love of football? DH and Ds hate football, DD and I love it so is that what makes us identify as female?
I identify as me not as a woman or as a human or as fan of cake. These are things I just am

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Because the feelings you have are innately you. But you can describe them as you have and cannot separate yourself from them. Therefore your feelings are part of you and those feelings are those of a woman by definition. You identify as being a woman.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 17/04/2025 10:52

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:47

You do know what the feeling of being a woman is because that is the feeling you have. If you didn't know what the feeling of being a woman was you wouldn't be conscious.

How do you know that I feel the same as you though? I'm a mixture of likes/dislikes, thoughts and feelings which are probably unique to me. I love cheese and jam sandwiches, my DH hates them so is a love of cheese and jam sandwiches what makes me a woman? Or perhaps it's my love of football? DH and Ds hate football, DD and I love it so is that what makes us identify as female?
I identify as me not as a woman or as a human or as fan of cake. These are things I just am

Jellycatspyjamas · 17/04/2025 10:52

You won't get the job with a cover letter like that I don't think. Did you do DoE award ?

It’s a good thing that I’m not applying for a job then, because being a woman isn’t a job, or a role to be played or a costume to be worn.

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 10:52

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:50

And where do you eyes send signals via your optic nerve to ?

What does feeling like a woman mean?

I don’t feel like anything. I AM a woman. The same way a dog is a dog, because it is not because it feels, and a grasshopper is a grasshopper. The only factor which I “identify” with is my body.

How do men “feel like women” and how does that make them women?

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:50

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 10:49

No, I don’t have feelings of being a woman. I KNOW I am because I have eyes and can see my body parts. Biology is where my knowledge I am a woman begins and ends.

Can you tell me what feeling like a woman is like please?

And where do you eyes send signals via your optic nerve to ?

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 10:49

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:47

You do know what the feeling of being a woman is because that is the feeling you have. If you didn't know what the feeling of being a woman was you wouldn't be conscious.

No, I don’t have feelings of being a woman. I KNOW I am because I have eyes and can see my body parts. Biology is where my knowledge I am a woman begins and ends.

Can you tell me what feeling like a woman is like please?

Jellycatspyjamas · 17/04/2025 10:49

You do know what the feeling of being a woman is because that is the feeling you have. If you didn't know what the feeling of being a woman was you wouldn't be conscious.

I know how I feel, I don’t know that my feelings are representative or consistent with how other women feel. There’s no one “feeling of being a woman” consistent across the whole sex class.

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:48

Jellycatspyjamas · 17/04/2025 10:47

Being” something is quite literally a part of a person’s identity. It’s how you would describe yourself and how others would describe you. It’s quite sad to get so hung up on this. You’re a cisgender woman. Get over it.

I’m a woman, my biology makes me a woman. No need for any qualifier or further description.

You won't get the job with a cover letter like that I don't think. Did you do DoE award ?

CornedBeef451 · 17/04/2025 10:48

OtterInABlueTie · 17/04/2025 00:42

I just refuse to use the word cis if at all possible. Or any of the TRA lingo. I have lost track of how many gender identities there are. I'm too old and ND to pander to all this crap . I don't even bother with preferred pronouns. I just use they/them or their name. They can't be offended by that. Not my circus not my monkeys.

I just attended awareness training at work and apparently using they/them instead of stated preferred pronouns is offensive too.

This was from a very obvious young woman pretending to be a man. The small group discussions were painful, mixture of full woke and completely oblivious, I seemed to be the only gender critical person there and tried to raise issues without getting fired.

I dread to think how much my work place is paying for this training. They have moved on from Stonewall to a private company which might be worse.

Jellycatspyjamas · 17/04/2025 10:47

Being” something is quite literally a part of a person’s identity. It’s how you would describe yourself and how others would describe you. It’s quite sad to get so hung up on this. You’re a cisgender woman. Get over it.

I’m a woman, my biology makes me a woman. No need for any qualifier or further description.

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:47

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 10:45

I don’t feel that I am a woman but I know in.i don’t know what “feeling” like a woman is.

If it’s apparent violence to enforce the “wrong” identity on trans people ain’t it violence to use “cis” for women who are just women?

You do know what the feeling of being a woman is because that is the feeling you have. If you didn't know what the feeling of being a woman was you wouldn't be conscious.

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 10:45

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 00:17

I think then the would simply say that you were born a female and you are a woman because you feel that you are a woman. And probably only say this if that was offered up by yourself. It's more of a philosophical question of you being you. I think therefore I am.

I don’t feel that I am a woman but I know in.i don’t know what “feeling” like a woman is.

If it’s apparent violence to enforce the “wrong” identity on trans people ain’t it violence to use “cis” for women who are just women?

Dotjones · 17/04/2025 10:43

YANBU, I hate this term. Just as I don't get to tell you what labels to call yourself, you don't get to tell me.

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 10:42

YANBU

Im no longing clarifying what I mean when I say “woman”. I mean woman. A trans woman is a man, I’ll refer to them as transwomen but we all know they’re men.

thefirebird · 17/04/2025 10:42

Skyellaskerry · 17/04/2025 10:35

@Bogginsthe3rd it appears that you think that being something and identifying as something are the same. Maybe think about it a bit.

“Being” something is quite literally a part of a person’s identity. It’s how you would describe yourself and how others would describe you. It’s quite sad to get so hung up on this. You’re a cisgender woman. Get over it.

BadAmbassador · 17/04/2025 10:41

Oh that word can just fuck off!

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:39

Skyellaskerry · 17/04/2025 10:35

@Bogginsthe3rd it appears that you think that being something and identifying as something are the same. Maybe think about it a bit.

cogito, ergo sum
Perhaps ponder this.

thefirebird · 17/04/2025 10:39

Skyellaskerry · 16/04/2025 23:56

No, you’re just a woman.

Cis relates to gender identity and assumes that we all have one, when we don’t.

Ah, so you’re non-binary? Non-binary people don’t identify with gender.

Because if you’re calling yourself a woman that means you’re identifying with that word and therefore have a gender identity.

it’s a biological definition, babe, not a social one. It was a ruling on the definition of sex. And gender is social.

HaddyAbrams · 17/04/2025 10:38

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:32

You don't identify as a human ? What do you identify as ? A spice rack ? You do know you can be something and also feel you are something as well ? You are denying consciousness itself.

No. I just am human. How many of the things I am should i identify as?
Short? Fat? Brown eyed? Brown haired? Diabetic? Small footed?
Those things are all facts about me.

Skyellaskerry · 17/04/2025 10:35

@Bogginsthe3rd it appears that you think that being something and identifying as something are the same. Maybe think about it a bit.

Helleofabore · 17/04/2025 10:32

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:02

I think if you are a woman you also identify as being a woman. You don't identify as being a pot of hummus do you?

No. This is the falsehood that many people make.

There is no way to 'identify' being a woman, except to mature from being a female child. Being a woman means something different to all female people who have matured to reach womanhood. None of us 'identify' as one. We just are one.

There is a degree of twisting of concepts there in the statement that if you are a woman you also identify as one.

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:32

HaddyAbrams · 17/04/2025 10:29

You can think that all you like. Doesn't make it true.

I am a woman. I don't identify as one. I don't identify as being human either. Or short and fat. Or brunette. I just Am all of those things.

You don't identify as a human ? What do you identify as ? A spice rack ? You do know you can be something and also feel you are something as well ? You are denying consciousness itself.

HaddyAbrams · 17/04/2025 10:29

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:02

I think if you are a woman you also identify as being a woman. You don't identify as being a pot of hummus do you?

You can think that all you like. Doesn't make it true.

I am a woman. I don't identify as one. I don't identify as being human either. Or short and fat. Or brunette. I just Am all of those things.

Lyannaa · 17/04/2025 10:03

I totally, totally agree.

Bogginsthe3rd · 17/04/2025 10:02

BrilliantBrilliant · 17/04/2025 09:56

No.

I am woman. I don't identify as anything, I just am in reality. Biological reality matters.

I think if you are a woman you also identify as being a woman. You don't identify as being a pot of hummus do you?

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