CIS

I have those receipts as well. There were plenty of posters on mn declaring that Khelif and Semenya are cis women.

I got to the point of even drawing a diagram because I was posting the same thing over and over after seeing that. Because those insisting cis is harmless and should be accepted don’t seem to understand what it actually means and does.

Surely if you declare yourself as non-binary, you then actually become binary? Non-binary and binary, which is binary. No?

Almost everyone in the world is "non binary", babe.

Because almost nobody except trans people actually identifies with gender, which is regressive made up nonsense.

Everyone in the world, including the 99%+ of the human population who are, according to your definition, "non binary", is in fact binary in the sense that they come in two varieties: male and female.

Male and female are not identities; they are scientific categories.

Cis is meaningless. Some people insist that Imane Khelif is a cis woman because their dsd means they were incorrectly recorded as female at birth. (I have the receipts so the tiresome "no one has ever said that" comments will be pointless if anyone feels the need to make them).

People can use cis if it makes them happy but I will continue to think them ridiculous and not use it myself.

So what is the definition of 'identify' in this context? Does it mean 'to think that one is something'? I don't 'think' I'm a woman - I just am one.

Does it mean 'to feel like something'? How do I know what it 'feels like' to be a woman? I only know what it feels like to be me. Other women might feel completely different.

I also don't 'feel' specifically 5'6", 53 years old or British. I just am those things.

So trans woman means "the opposite of woman" then.

In other words, it means "man".

Yes, whenever I hear someone use this word I revise my estimation of their IQ down 20 points.

No. feeling feelings as a woman is not coherent with ‘identifying as a woman’.

One is a state of being and the other requires active processing and analysis against set criteria as a positive action to ‘identify’ as something.

It is more accurate to say ‘I feel like me and I am female/ a woman’. No ‘identifying as a woman’ needed.

I don't feel like a woman. Except possibly when in the throes of severe period pain, but then I am very painfully aware I am feeling a FEMALE thing in my female body, nothing to do with how I feel as a person.

In some situations I am treated "as a woman" and it always takes me by surprise a bit, as I just see myself as a human (often this is around sexism/men making assumptions about me).

I really wrestled with the fact that I don't "feel like a woman" as a teen and in my early 20s. As I couldn't pin down what the hell that meant, aside from sexist expectations, I eventually stopped pondering it. I have since had so many friends and other women say they felt the same thing at that age, it seems pretty normal.

I asked DH what he thought transwoman meant, and he said a woman who is now a man. So yes, confusion reigns.

Cis is a slur.

You feel like a woman, right? That’s your gender identity, then. You’re also a biological woman.

I agree that cis isn’t really necessary. I guess it adds a bit of clarification. But basically I don’t see why biological women can’t be just called women, and transwomen just called transwomen.

But honestly it’s not something I can get het up over at all. It’s just a descriptor.

And this, in a nutsack nutshell, is why so many of us object to the term. (Including you, I know!)

If used about me I simply say I am not cis. If further explanation is needed I say I don't have a female gender identity, but choose to use she/her pronouns. They can't really argue with that, in case it's "transphobic".

"I think therefore I jam"

And nobody can explain WTF any of that means.

Cheese and jam sandwiches?

As if this thread wasn't controversial enough - now we are onto the real hard hitting stuff!

I haven't RTFT and assume you have been corrected about this by multiple people by now.

But you've just perfectly illustrated the problem with adopting all this confusing terminology.

Who knows how many women, when saying that they're OK with trans women using women's spaces, think they're talking about women who identify as men rather than men who identify as women?

The term "trans man" refers to a woman who wishes to live and be referred to as though she were a man.

It's a term which you should only use about other people if you know that they consent to being referred to in this way.

We don’t need ‘cis’ we don’t even need the term ‘biological woman’ anymore.

Woman is only that, how great is that ruling

It is supposed to mean ‘someone with a gender identity that matches their assigned sex at birth’

Thankfully the judgment itself does not use this absurd term.

#cisoff

The pp is a clear post on mn, what has a cover letter got to do with it?

What does cis stand for

No I don't. Not in the way a man may identify as a woman. He is male, he has thoughts and feelings so they are male thoughts and feelings because they are being had by a male. But some men claim their feelings are women's feelings. So what are these feelings? The women's ones that most women and a handful of men have. This separate to being a woman feeling that one can have regardless of one's sex?

So you are translating the word woman to be subsitute word for human.
Can you explain what "cisgender" means if applied to humans or even other animal specie eg an elephant.
Define what puts one human into your classification but not other humans or one elephant your classification but not other elephants?