NT people don’t exist

do you know what autism is?

Obviously I know I can’t diagnose someone over the internet. I have lived the best of both worlds, have observed aggressive people and they usually come from impoverished backgrounds and have adhd.

Tell a prospective employer that you’re autistic and let me know how that goes.

the increased job prospects? Can you elaborate?

I fully empathise with people's life struggles. I just don't see the need to label them. It's just my view. I find the medicalisation of distress and neurodiversity quite offensive to be honest and I find that for some people it places blame on them rather than acknowledge the trauma they've endured, the disrupted attachments they've had, or whatever else might have contributed to their own distinct way of seeing the world and responding to it.

I fully appreciate some people may see my view as offensive. I see others views as offensive. I disagree with diagnoses, and others disagree with me. That's all ok!

Truly, don't be offended by some random on Mumsnet. I'm not worth it!

No. I just have an aversion to aggressive people who can’t control themselves

I think you have ADHD because I’ve never encountered someone without it speak the way you do

People can do what they want regarding diagnoses for neurodiversity. I just don't see what purpose it serves. I got a diagnosis years ago and have come to believe it is nonsensical.

Ultimately, except at the far end of the spectrum where it manifests in profound intellectual and developmental disability, I think at some level it becomes a bit like the trans / gender identity debate: how do we know other people’s experiences and realities. Nobody really knows how “typical” people think and feel, whether they all think and feel the same way, and therefore nobody can ever really know that the way they think and feel is “divergent”, or to what extent on the spectrum they diverge from typical, or whether their divergent is in fact what somebody else thinks is typical or vice versa.

I have an ADHD diagnosis (got it 15 years ago so not the new bandwagon tik-tok crowd) and I have thought and said exactly the same.

It's absurd to pathologise sections of society in this way. Unless people are profoundly disabled, ie need constant care to survive, what is the point? We all have strengths and weaknesses and these usually dictate in which direction we thrive and succeed.

We are all neurodivergent, one person to the next. Insomuch as there are subtypes of 'brains' there must be many types. People who are creative and become life's writers, artists, poets etc are a recognisable type but so are those who become accountants or medics or engineers or whatever else. These abilities occur because as a society we need them all. It's just daft to label some of them as being 'different'. To what? Other types of existing and being in the world? Of course there's more than one way to live. Surely that's not a newsflash?

OP I'm very glad you posted this. It's time to stop with all the limiting talk that come from the explosion of 'neurodiversity'. And if anyone comes back with the 'it's my superpower' crap, 🤮 that's the worst kind of negative about it. We all just have different talents that are necessary for the fabric of society to function. No more, no less.

So you’re allowed a diagnosis but others aren’t.

I have an ADHD diagnosis (got it 15 years ago so not the new bandwagon tik-tok crowd) and I have thought and said exactly the same.

It's absurd to pathologise sections of society in this way. Unless people are profoundly disabled, ie need constant care to survive, what is the point? We all have strengths and weaknesses and these usually dictate in which direction we thrive and succeed.

We are all neurodivergent, one person to the next. Insomuch as there are subtypes of 'brains' there must be many types. People who are creative and become life's writers, artists, poets etc are a recognisable type but so are those who become accountants or medics or engineers or whatever else. These abilities occur because as a society we need them all. It's just daft to label some of them as being 'different'. To what? Other types of existing and being in the world? Of course there's more than one way to live. Surely that's not a newsflash?

OP I'm very glad you posted this. It's time to stop with all the limiting talk that come from the explosion of 'neurodiversity'. And if anyone comes back with the 'it's my superpower' crap, 🤮 that's the worst kind of negative about it. We all just have different talents that are necessary for the fabric of society to function. No more, no less.

If someone is born different to someone else, why can't we as a society just accept them for who they are? (I'm not talking about your specific children). Why do we need to label them with an illness? Why can't we just say 'oh that's frank, he doesn't speak, we help him communicate by using maketon/x/y/x'. Or 'oh that's James, he isn't good at picking up social cues, but everyone loves him! He tells great stories'.. etc..

Why diagnose everyone all the time? I just wish we could all accept each other without the need to medicalise everyone's differences.

It’s not a label it’s a disability.

Im so pleased your son is now getting the support that is helping him. It's a shame he had to wait for a label before getting support for his needs.

My son FINALLY got his ADHD diagnosis and started on the lowest dose of meds. It's been completely transformative ..he's only weeks away from his GCSEs now so it's v v late but it may just mean he passes a few. It's a travesty that children have waste their crucial years in education with these wait lists and labyrinthine systems.

My son FINALLY got his ADHD diagnosis and started on the lowest dose of meds. It's been completely transformative ..he's only weeks away from his GCSEs now so it's v v late but it may just mean he passes a few. It's a travesty that children have waste their crucial years in education with these wait lists and labyrinthine systems.