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I have moved out with eldest daughter due to the way my wife treats her.

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George805 · 15/04/2025 19:34

Hi, I am looking for some advice regarding my wife's treatment of eldest daughter.

Two daughters 8 and 6, eldest is a bit of an old soul, loves fossils, history, animals and cares deeply about the planet, she likes to wear t shirts with fossils and bugs on them with jeans and trainers, not interested in latest fashion or trends.

I love my wife but she can be a bit snobby and judgmental at times, she has to follow the latest trends and is in to everything glamorous, youngest daughter is the same, loves fashion, makeup (big no for me as she's too young) she is naturally very talented, does dance and can sing really well, I love both my children equally but I have to be truthful and say that I see a bit of a mean streak in youngest and I'm worried she is growing in to a bit of a bully.

Now the issue is that my wife massively favours youngest daughter, brings her everywhere, constantly buying her things, always calling her the most beautiful girl in the world (whilst eldest is standing right next to her), phone is full of pictures of just her, never stops speaking about her, always got to be right next to her on the sofa/dinner table etc etc

I've pulled her up on this so many times, told her she never spends time with eldest, never compliments her or shows even the slightest interest in what she's doing.

Had a horrible day at work today so stopped off in town on my way home to buy some snacks and treat the girls to a jellycat each, I bought eldest a caterpillar and youngest a bunny, when I arrived home and gave them to the girls my wife was instantly all over the youngest telling her how beautiful her bunny was just like her and didn't say anything about eldest. Eldest left and I went and spoke to her, she asked if I'd change her caterpillar for a bunny, I was shocked as I know for a fact she doesn't like the bunnies, she likes birds and bugs, what she said next floored me and made me feel like I've really failed her, she said mummy would like her the same way she likes her sister if she got a bunny, she got really upset and said she knows she's ugly and that's why eveyone likes youngest better.

I took both girls across the road to the neighbours and went back home and had the biggest argument with my wife we've ever had in 10 years of marriage, I'm not proud of it but I really lost my cool and accused my wife of neglecting eldest daughter and told her she's causing her to have body issues etc by the way she treats her, in the heat of the moment I packed a bag for myself and eldest and moved out.

But I've now had time to cool down and I realise I don't want to go back, I don't want my eldest to have to live everyday being compared to her sister and not feeling loved, living in her sisters shadow constantly having to hear how beautiful and amazing she is.

My wife has phoned over 20 times and left numerous texts and voicemails, I can't bring mysel to reply yet. I don't think it's good for eldest to be around her mother from now on until she can learn to treat them the same, I want eldest to live with me and youngest to spend half the time with me.

I know it's likely an unusual situation but would I stand a chance with this in court? I'm really worried about the way eldest is talking about herself and I think I'm going to need to get her some professional help, I obviously don't want her to never see her mum again, I just want her to have a brake from having to deal with her behaviour and for wife to slowly one on one build a relationship up with her without comparing her to youngest.

OP posts:
onetwothreefourfive11 · 15/04/2025 23:34

brought tears to my eyes what your eldest said

you did the right thing.
perhaps try family therapy and live separately for now until you see if there is improvement

Fioratourer · 15/04/2025 23:31

I think you need to tread really carefully. Today it may be that you left because of your wife’s treatment of your daughter. But in the build up to today what has been done to change it? I’m wondering if that’s what a court will ask. It seems like you have done a huge u turn on your lives in the space of an argument. Be careful that your 8 year old may not agree once she forgets some of the conversations in a year or so if it goes to court. I completely understand you protecting her but banning your wife from complete contact may make you look bad in the eyes of court. Could you consider family therapy? But also a solicitor asap.

user1492757084 · 15/04/2025 23:30

What your eldest needs most is NOT to be separated from her mother and sister.
She needs her mother to drastically improve her way of communicating with her. She needs to live with a mother who shows her love and affection, and with her sister whom she also loves.
There is nothing to be lost in trying to remedy your wife's approach until she gets it right. I would be communicating with your wife and getting her to enrol ASAP in a parenting class and counselling about her attitude. Make it a provision for you moving back.

The sooner the better because your daughter needs to feel that any change is totally about how her own mother chose to improve because of her love for her. An apology from her mother, or any improvement, will not come across as genuine if DD thinks you pressured her mother into it.
Now is not the time to be selfish and focus on a divorce - that would mean sheer chaos for DD1. She could feel to blame. You need to be in the household, helping things improve over the next few years.

Only after a decent attempt to help your wife see sense would it be best for you to fragment the family. Realistically, how would an unreformed wife treat her eldest DD if you forced a divorce on wife? Wife would be all over the place and not capable of learning new tricks. How would both girls feel about you? How would it be in their best interest?

Simplynotsimple · 15/04/2025 23:29

MyOtherProfile · 15/04/2025 23:23

And only one of them was sobbing about feeling fat and not being loved by mum.

Still completely missing the point. For a site that throws the term narcissist around like their favourite hot potato, when a thread has someone actually showing real traits people are being extremely dense and defensive about the behaviour.

A narcissist’s primary victim will always be the one they say they love the most. Everyone else they hurt to keep that person to themselves is collateral damage. It’s especially shit when it’s children being emotionally played off each other but this idea that the youngest is fine because mum likes her is completely wrong. The youngest is being thrown to the wolves at age 6 simply because someone who is known to be emotionally abusive has picked her as ‘special’. How are posters not seeing it is beyond me.

anon3455 · 15/04/2025 23:29

grumpygrape · 15/04/2025 23:16

I’m not sure I have said my views should be more respected. I have disagreed with anon3455; they brought qualifications into the discussion, I have just said that, yes, I am qualified.

However, as other posters have pointed out anon3455’s terminology and views don’t sit with current English Family Law.

I'd rather leave this off topic discussion here though as it is detracting from the OP's issue.

Presumably you are satisfied that this chain of events has taken place south of the border? Regardless of that, it seems to be a very bizarre and confrontational approach to be immediately suspicious of someone’s professional credentials..

Legal terminology aside, I’m pretty sure the view of the courts across the country would be consistent in relation to the father of a child ‘blocking the access’ of a mother who holds parental rights and responsibilities in this way. OP- whilst there is no doubt in my mind that your intentions are in the right place, you must be careful here and seek urgent legal advice.

kittensinthekitchen · 15/04/2025 23:28

MyOtherProfile · 15/04/2025 23:23

And only one of them was sobbing about feeling fat and not being loved by mum.

I'd be willing to bet the six year old isn't feeling too great right now also

George805 · 15/04/2025 23:28

I've already said several times now that yes counselling is being looked in to, no I am not taking youngest to live at my parents at this time because my eldest needs a brake from her bullying, I will of course still be seeing youngest, it's difficult to discipline youngest as wife just let's her do as she pleases and undermines me whilst I discipline her, so I have a lot of work ahead of me

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Hastentoadd · 15/04/2025 23:26

kittensinthekitchen · 15/04/2025 23:17

Except he has TWO daughters

It’s a start to remove one, that had to be done for her well being
Im sure he will be reviewing the whole situation and his other daughter over the coming days, give the man a break!
What he did tonight was the behaviour of an extremely caring father and I’m sure he is going to be looking out for his other daughter as-well
It sounds like a ‘work in progress’ situation and the job is not yet completed

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/04/2025 23:25

grumpygrape · 15/04/2025 23:16

I’m not sure I have said my views should be more respected. I have disagreed with anon3455; they brought qualifications into the discussion, I have just said that, yes, I am qualified.

However, as other posters have pointed out anon3455’s terminology and views don’t sit with current English Family Law.

I'd rather leave this off topic discussion here though as it is detracting from the OP's issue.

I’ve been involved with in family law cases where the legal advice was in accord with what @anon3455 said.
( I was involved as a friend- I’m not a legal expert)

Orwellsunshine · 15/04/2025 23:24

MyOtherProfile · 15/04/2025 23:23

And only one of them was sobbing about feeling fat and not being loved by mum.

You have no idea whether the other one was sobbing because we’re only hearing one side of the story.

SallyDraperGetInHere · 15/04/2025 23:23

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/04/2025 23:21

It’s tricky. I do feel for the OP. It’s going to be hard to get this right. I understand the emotions he feels on behalf of his daughter.
But I get the feeling that the OP is becoming more intransigent because of the ( well meaning) support on here.
The OP needs to at least explore family counselling first ( and I don’t think he has shown willingness on that front)

I can see how, in the heat of the moment, the reaction was to remove 8yo to a safer, loving space. The OP says himself that when he cooled down, it dawned on him that he needs to take permanent action.

MyOtherProfile · 15/04/2025 23:23

kittensinthekitchen · 15/04/2025 23:17

Except he has TWO daughters

And only one of them was sobbing about feeling fat and not being loved by mum.

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/04/2025 23:21

SallyDraperGetInHere · 15/04/2025 23:18

I think you did the right thing tonight. The question is what is the next right thing to do. IMO it is booking family therapy, parents first, and insisting on going. I presume it’s school holidays where you are. Can 6yo come stay with grandparents too while you too have the conversation about attending therapy?

Agreed

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/04/2025 23:21

mimi0708 · 15/04/2025 23:15

I am in the opinion as well that both children should have been taken by the OP. Being the golden child is also equally damaging, and what the wife seems to be doing is toxic as well for the 6yo. And now 6yo will think that she wasn't good enough for dad and it will be a very high place to fall from if she disappoints mum. I really feel sorry for the 6yo.

It’s tricky. I do feel for the OP. It’s going to be hard to get this right. I understand the emotions he feels on behalf of his daughter.
But I get the feeling that the OP is becoming more intransigent because of the ( well meaning) support on here.
The OP needs to at least explore family counselling first ( and I don’t think he has shown willingness on that front)

ViolasandViolets · 15/04/2025 23:20

YABU to just take your oldest child. You need to treat them both the same too and take them both. Favouring your oldest, even if just in response to your DW treatment of the younger, is also bad.

SallyDraperGetInHere · 15/04/2025 23:18

I think you did the right thing tonight. The question is what is the next right thing to do. IMO it is booking family therapy, parents first, and insisting on going. I presume it’s school holidays where you are. Can 6yo come stay with grandparents too while you too have the conversation about attending therapy?

kittensinthekitchen · 15/04/2025 23:17

MyOtherProfile · 15/04/2025 23:10

You've done an amazing thing for your daughter.

Except he has TWO daughters

grumpygrape · 15/04/2025 23:16

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/04/2025 23:11

I don’t have any legal expertise so I would have appreciated if you could have explained why your views should be more respected than the pp.

I’m not sure I have said my views should be more respected. I have disagreed with anon3455; they brought qualifications into the discussion, I have just said that, yes, I am qualified.

However, as other posters have pointed out anon3455’s terminology and views don’t sit with current English Family Law.

I'd rather leave this off topic discussion here though as it is detracting from the OP's issue.

mimi0708 · 15/04/2025 23:15

I am in the opinion as well that both children should have been taken by the OP. Being the golden child is also equally damaging, and what the wife seems to be doing is toxic as well for the 6yo. And now 6yo will think that she wasn't good enough for dad and it will be a very high place to fall from if she disappoints mum. I really feel sorry for the 6yo.

Hastentoadd · 15/04/2025 23:14

George805 · 15/04/2025 23:05

Are you ignoring my multiple replies saying that when wife can learn to treat borth daughters the same then she can see eldest. I phoned her and she didn't even ask after her so that tells me everything I need to know

Ignore commenters like that, there are a lot of people on here who have very little to do with their time and are only out to wind people up

anon3455 · 15/04/2025 23:12

grumpygrape · 15/04/2025 22:48

Yes

I would be very, very surprised..

Waterlilysunset · 15/04/2025 23:12

ElbowsUp · 15/04/2025 22:57

Try not to let them get to you, OP. I'm not sure if you're a first time poster but Mumsnet can be pretty hostile to men and the AIBU subforum is notorious for its toxicity, and people looking to find any reason, no matter how tenuous, to attack the OP.

You've had some good advice amongst it, but I honestly think AIBU is a bad place for you to get advice during an emotionally turbulent time. I'd suggest you look for advice elsewhere.

People are mainly being realistic about what’s possible for OP. Rightly or wrongly he feels how he feels. But factually he won’t be allowed to just keep one daughter by the courts it doesn’t work like that, this isn’t The Parent Trap

grumpygrape · 15/04/2025 23:11

George805 · 15/04/2025 23:05

Are you ignoring my multiple replies saying that when wife can learn to treat borth daughters the same then she can see eldest. I phoned her and she didn't even ask after her so that tells me everything I need to know

OP, please tread very carefully and get formal qualified support. Other posters are right when they say the Courts will take a view, especially if you are intransigent.

nettle86 · 15/04/2025 23:11

I'm so sorry OP your situation is awful but you've had some really good advice here. Not relevant to your actual problem but I am also a parent of bug mad kids and we regularly put a moth trap out in the garden. It's such a soothing, beautiful experience like Christmas morning opening a present I'm sure your eldest would love it, and your youngest too, did you know there are pink moths!

www.watdon.co.uk/acatalog/6W-Heath-trap-and-spares.html

George805 · 15/04/2025 23:11

Agapornis · 15/04/2025 23:04

I was that dinosaur girl. My niece is one, but is constantly pushed by her mother and grandmother to be a Barbie girl :(

Keep focusing on her interests. Have you used iSpot or iNaturalist? It's really good for identifying things, including fossils. She'll see adult women users verifying her finds. It was so important to me as a child to see that not all women were like my mother.

Yes we love ispot. Sorry to hear about your niece, I wish all parents would just let their kids develop their own interests and support them, it's not like I truly enjoy rolling around in the dirt looking for bugs but my daughter enjoys it so I play along.

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