Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

I have moved out with eldest daughter due to the way my wife treats her.

454 replies

George805 · 15/04/2025 19:34

Hi, I am looking for some advice regarding my wife's treatment of eldest daughter.

Two daughters 8 and 6, eldest is a bit of an old soul, loves fossils, history, animals and cares deeply about the planet, she likes to wear t shirts with fossils and bugs on them with jeans and trainers, not interested in latest fashion or trends.

I love my wife but she can be a bit snobby and judgmental at times, she has to follow the latest trends and is in to everything glamorous, youngest daughter is the same, loves fashion, makeup (big no for me as she's too young) she is naturally very talented, does dance and can sing really well, I love both my children equally but I have to be truthful and say that I see a bit of a mean streak in youngest and I'm worried she is growing in to a bit of a bully.

Now the issue is that my wife massively favours youngest daughter, brings her everywhere, constantly buying her things, always calling her the most beautiful girl in the world (whilst eldest is standing right next to her), phone is full of pictures of just her, never stops speaking about her, always got to be right next to her on the sofa/dinner table etc etc

I've pulled her up on this so many times, told her she never spends time with eldest, never compliments her or shows even the slightest interest in what she's doing.

Had a horrible day at work today so stopped off in town on my way home to buy some snacks and treat the girls to a jellycat each, I bought eldest a caterpillar and youngest a bunny, when I arrived home and gave them to the girls my wife was instantly all over the youngest telling her how beautiful her bunny was just like her and didn't say anything about eldest. Eldest left and I went and spoke to her, she asked if I'd change her caterpillar for a bunny, I was shocked as I know for a fact she doesn't like the bunnies, she likes birds and bugs, what she said next floored me and made me feel like I've really failed her, she said mummy would like her the same way she likes her sister if she got a bunny, she got really upset and said she knows she's ugly and that's why eveyone likes youngest better.

I took both girls across the road to the neighbours and went back home and had the biggest argument with my wife we've ever had in 10 years of marriage, I'm not proud of it but I really lost my cool and accused my wife of neglecting eldest daughter and told her she's causing her to have body issues etc by the way she treats her, in the heat of the moment I packed a bag for myself and eldest and moved out.

But I've now had time to cool down and I realise I don't want to go back, I don't want my eldest to have to live everyday being compared to her sister and not feeling loved, living in her sisters shadow constantly having to hear how beautiful and amazing she is.

My wife has phoned over 20 times and left numerous texts and voicemails, I can't bring mysel to reply yet. I don't think it's good for eldest to be around her mother from now on until she can learn to treat them the same, I want eldest to live with me and youngest to spend half the time with me.

I know it's likely an unusual situation but would I stand a chance with this in court? I'm really worried about the way eldest is talking about herself and I think I'm going to need to get her some professional help, I obviously don't want her to never see her mum again, I just want her to have a brake from having to deal with her behaviour and for wife to slowly one on one build a relationship up with her without comparing her to youngest.

OP posts:
lovemetomybones · 16/04/2025 01:00

It’s amazing to see a parent identify a troubling issue in their child’s life and act on it instantly. Both your children will thank you for this in adulthood, putting their needs first above all.

your wife needs to recognise how her parenting has alienated her eldest, whether that be intentional or not the bunny situation clearly shows how her actions have impacted your daughter (and it’s far more than just a teddy- it’s a girl stating she wish she could be different so she could be accepted by her mother, that’s a huge deal) my daughter did something similar for different reasons. She once came home from school and asked me to cut her utterly gorgeous hair off so she could be accepted (apparently long red hair is not cool) from that statement I probed further and found she had been systematically bullied by three individuals who had been relentlessly name calling over a six month period. It got to the point that she no longer wished to be herself. My wonderful, intelligent, kind beautiful daughter wanted to be someone else! For us the way to solve the situation was much more straightforward by involving the school, mediating and fixing the situation (which two of the girls left which undoubtedly helped) However in your case it isn’t so easy.

First your wife needs to acknowledge, she currently is in denial. Grey rock it, don’t accept any rubbish excuse. Once she is finally open to realising her impact, she needs to fix it with her daughter. I disagree that they should remain apart, supervised I do think they need an opportunity to communicate and heal otherwise it’s going to be an issue that becomes insurmountable. Then over a long period of time individually and together they need counselling.

whate happens from this moment on you addressed a situation that was massively affecting your daughter and got her out of it. The hard work starts now.

Fraaances · 16/04/2025 00:57

Would it be fair to say that your wife is possibly living vicariously through your youngest? She sounds very immature herself.

Fraaances · 16/04/2025 00:43

I was your eldest daughter. The treatment I received at home affected all levels of socialisation. I'm really proud of you for taking a stand on your daughter's behalf. Don't question yourself. If you didn't do this now, you would be complicit in the abuse regardless of your own behaviour at home.

Ruby1985 · 16/04/2025 00:40

George805 · 15/04/2025 19:50

Yes because I refuse to have an argument with my children in the house and don't want my daughter overhearing the way my wife was speaking about her, it's not uncommon for people to be friends with their neighbours

You probably argue in front of your kids and think it’s normal for them to be around that. Others don’t ;)

Ruby1985 · 16/04/2025 00:38

moveoveralice · 15/04/2025 19:42

Your took both girls across the road so you could return to argue with your wife?

Do you live on Ramsey street?

Your not really funny… quite lame actually

OpheliaWasntMad · 16/04/2025 00:36

Ketzele · 16/04/2025 00:15

OP, I have huge sympathy for you. My ex also decided to emotionally abandon dd1 and focus all her love on dd2. It was so shocking and cruel to witness. For a long time, I tried to fix it. Then I was in a quandary of, "dd1 needs me to leave, but dd2 needs me to stay". Then eventually I realised that dd2 was being hurt too, not least by undermining her relationship with her sister.

I think it might be worth self-referring to CAMHS for your dd2, for advice on how you can support her. Also see if the NHS provides family therapy - I was lucky enough to get this and it was v good, really showed me that the only option was out. Also, there is probably a family support team at your local social services - this is NOT the same as child protection team. Mine held meetings with the school to get support for both girls, and also recommended actions for us as a family (she also muttered to me, "I'm not supposed to say this, but get the hell out").

I'm not saying all these options will be right for you, but I think they have these advantages:

  • they show your wife how serious you are
  • you show whoever is going to be adjudicating custody arrangements that you are a thoughtful and responsible parent
  • you shine a light on what has been going on, inviting people in who your wife may listen to
  • you get advice on how best to support both your dds, and maybe some direct support for them as well.

Incidentally, my dds have now lived just with me for five years, and their relationship has really healed.

That’s brilliant to hear . Your daughters are lucky to have you. ( and I’m sure you feel the same way about them)

ElbowsUp · 16/04/2025 00:31

OP, I do think one thing you need to be very mindful of is that the siblings being separated, long term, is not a realistic outcome so, while I think you've done the right thing removing your eldest tonight, I think you're likely going to need to have them under the same roof (wherever tbat might be) again in the coming days.

That said, while the above is my hunch, I think you should be looking to get some urgent legal advice, to best inform your going-forward approach, to best enable you to achieve the best-possible end result for your daughters. Actions now, even if they feel objectively right, could end up working against you if this becomes a court matter.

Chungai · 16/04/2025 00:21

Is your wife the eldest sibling in her birth family?

I sympathise and a bit of space is useful but I also don't think it's healthy or right for you to stop your wife seeing your DD1.

Ketzele · 16/04/2025 00:15

OP, I have huge sympathy for you. My ex also decided to emotionally abandon dd1 and focus all her love on dd2. It was so shocking and cruel to witness. For a long time, I tried to fix it. Then I was in a quandary of, "dd1 needs me to leave, but dd2 needs me to stay". Then eventually I realised that dd2 was being hurt too, not least by undermining her relationship with her sister.

I think it might be worth self-referring to CAMHS for your dd2, for advice on how you can support her. Also see if the NHS provides family therapy - I was lucky enough to get this and it was v good, really showed me that the only option was out. Also, there is probably a family support team at your local social services - this is NOT the same as child protection team. Mine held meetings with the school to get support for both girls, and also recommended actions for us as a family (she also muttered to me, "I'm not supposed to say this, but get the hell out").

I'm not saying all these options will be right for you, but I think they have these advantages:

  • they show your wife how serious you are
  • you show whoever is going to be adjudicating custody arrangements that you are a thoughtful and responsible parent
  • you shine a light on what has been going on, inviting people in who your wife may listen to
  • you get advice on how best to support both your dds, and maybe some direct support for them as well.

Incidentally, my dds have now lived just with me for five years, and their relationship has really healed.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 16/04/2025 00:12

What a sad situation OP. Poor 6yo too, it sounds like meanness to Dsis is encouraged by Mum. She isn't a bully, just a little kid who knows no better. I think family therapy would really help, it sounds like your wife really has issues. If she wasn't like this before kids there might be something to work on and she might change. There is hope. Or you might need to separate and do a joint custody arrangement, I think siblings should stay together but you might get an additional night one to one with eldest. I don't know. I wonder is there any love left between you at all, could you keep the marriage and family together? Whatever happens I wish you and both little girls the best.

Hastentoadd · 16/04/2025 00:10

George805 · 16/04/2025 00:05

I'm sorry to hear this. I don't believe she's jealous, I'm not particularly outdoorsy myself, never showed an interest in bugs or fossils but once my eldest started showing an interest I made the effort to get involved, learn and take her out to do these things, my wife has always had the choice to get involved and come along but she chooses not to, I think she just wants her kids to be exactly like her, she loves dressing youngest up to match her and seems so confused that she could possibly have a child that doesn't enjoy that

Your wife sounds vacuous and just wants a daughter who is an extension of herself

saltandvinegarchipsticks · 16/04/2025 00:09

anon3455 · 15/04/2025 20:49

@FortyElephantsno, in fact I do not practice family law. I’m a senior child protection solicitor for a local authority. Perfectly appropriate to make reference to parental rights here. I think I’ll have to respectfully disagree with your view here.

Parental rights are not a thing. You also mention 50/50 as a baseline - I’ve worked in private law family proceedings for eight years and I see very few 50/50 court orders, as often by the time things come to court there are significant issues making equal coparenting very difficult for the children. I doubt you see many private law cases working for the LA.

I do agree that OP should at least say where he and the child are, but disagree that he has no legal right to keep her there or that the police would be interested, based on what the OP has said.

Crackanut · 16/04/2025 00:07

You are in danger of treating your youngest the same as how your wife is treating oldest. It’s very strong to call a six year old a bully. They well be testing boundaries because that’s what kids do developmentally at that age, but it is your responsibility as a parent to teach her how to treat people.

How patronising. The OP already knows this. He's literally said he recognises it and has tried to deal with it only to be undermined by his wife.

George805 · 16/04/2025 00:05

kitteninabasket · 15/04/2025 23:51

I was like your eldest. I loved going nature spotting with my dad, crossing things off in identification books and learning about all the various types of fungi. He introduced me to a world I could always lose myself in, wherever I was and whatever might happen - a true gift.

My mother resented me for it. She hated the attention he gave me and saw me as a threat. She couldn’t compete because she had no interest in these things. She was awful to me.

Is it possible your wife is jealous?

I'm sorry to hear this. I don't believe she's jealous, I'm not particularly outdoorsy myself, never showed an interest in bugs or fossils but once my eldest started showing an interest I made the effort to get involved, learn and take her out to do these things, my wife has always had the choice to get involved and come along but she chooses not to, I think she just wants her kids to be exactly like her, she loves dressing youngest up to match her and seems so confused that she could possibly have a child that doesn't enjoy that

OP posts:
Mistyglade · 15/04/2025 23:57

Ignore pp obsessing over lesser parenting of your youngest, they’re getting so ahead of themselves they’ve practically mapped out their version of your future for you. I wish I’d had a dad like you to remove me from my mothers abuse at that age. I wish you and your daughters well.

kitteninabasket · 15/04/2025 23:51

I was like your eldest. I loved going nature spotting with my dad, crossing things off in identification books and learning about all the various types of fungi. He introduced me to a world I could always lose myself in, wherever I was and whatever might happen - a true gift.

My mother resented me for it. She hated the attention he gave me and saw me as a threat. She couldn’t compete because she had no interest in these things. She was awful to me.

Is it possible your wife is jealous?

Ghosttofu99 · 15/04/2025 23:48

You are in danger of treating your youngest the same as how your wife is treating oldest. It’s very strong to call a six year old a bully. They well be testing boundaries because that’s what kids do developmentally at that age, but it is your responsibility as a parent to teach her how to treat people.

I think you are doing yourself and your kids no favours in the long run taking one and leaving one. You are not only rejecting one and favouring one but you are endangering their sibling relationship, the closest family relationship they will have. Either they will grow up despising each other or in the future they will come to mourn what you have taken away from them and possibly resent your actions. If you believe your wife is neglectful and emotionally abusive then it is your duty as a parent to take both.

Does your oldest naturally like what you have described or is she trying to please you? Did your wife have PND worth your oldest as that can sometimes affect bonding and maybe it would be positive for all of you to do family counselling even if you are leaving the family.

Omgblueskys · 15/04/2025 23:46

Simplynotsimple · 15/04/2025 23:42

What a measured response, no I will not ‘do one’. Posters like yourself have the fawning over ‘super dad’ in hand, some of us actually realise that 6 year old children are vulnerable as well even if they are a victim of favouritism. And they’re not bullies at that age, this behaviour is a full reflection of parenting in the home. From whichever parents are in the home.

Super dad / super mum whichever,

And 6 year olds can't be bullies, yeah OK,

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/04/2025 23:43

George805 · 15/04/2025 23:28

I've already said several times now that yes counselling is being looked in to, no I am not taking youngest to live at my parents at this time because my eldest needs a brake from her bullying, I will of course still be seeing youngest, it's difficult to discipline youngest as wife just let's her do as she pleases and undermines me whilst I discipline her, so I have a lot of work ahead of me

I’m very sorry I didn’t realise that you were looking into counselling.
This must be a traumatic and difficult time for you all. There is a genuine groundswell of support for you on here in terms of your advocacy for your daughter. But there is also good advice on here about the longer term situation . I think counselling is really important here.
I wish you and your family the very best.

Simplynotsimple · 15/04/2025 23:42

Omgblueskys · 15/04/2025 23:38

WOW!!! you don't let up do you, just do one, ffs

What a measured response, no I will not ‘do one’. Posters like yourself have the fawning over ‘super dad’ in hand, some of us actually realise that 6 year old children are vulnerable as well even if they are a victim of favouritism. And they’re not bullies at that age, this behaviour is a full reflection of parenting in the home. From whichever parents are in the home.

HornungTheHelpful · 15/04/2025 23:40

KateShugakIsALegend · 15/04/2025 21:10

I think your eldest daughter is lucky to have you.

Stay strong.

Do you think his youngest daughter is lucky to have him?

George805 · 15/04/2025 23:38

Simplynotsimple · 15/04/2025 23:35

Calling a six year old a bully as her father is pretty despicable. Blaming your wife for her behaviour yet you’ve painted yourself as a fully involved father up to now, so which is it? Surely as an equal parent of two children it is both your responsibilities of how your children develop. Every post you make is about how you push your eldest to be herself, yet your 6 year olds version of herself is so unacceptable you won’t even have her around her sister.

Have you spoken to your youngest since driving off with a packed bag and her sister?

Yes I have spoken to my youngest, my wife on the other hand hasn't even asked after eldest. And yes I will call my youngest a bully because I'm not one of those parents who thinks their kids can do no wrong, I discipline youngest then wife goes and tells her it's all fine and don't listen to daddy, I will be able to better parent my youngest without my wife around to undermine me

OP posts:
Omgblueskys · 15/04/2025 23:38

Simplynotsimple · 15/04/2025 23:35

Calling a six year old a bully as her father is pretty despicable. Blaming your wife for her behaviour yet you’ve painted yourself as a fully involved father up to now, so which is it? Surely as an equal parent of two children it is both your responsibilities of how your children develop. Every post you make is about how you push your eldest to be herself, yet your 6 year olds version of herself is so unacceptable you won’t even have her around her sister.

Have you spoken to your youngest since driving off with a packed bag and her sister?

WOW!!! you don't let up do you, just do one, ffs

user1492757084 · 15/04/2025 23:36

SallyDraperGetInHere · 15/04/2025 23:18

I think you did the right thing tonight. The question is what is the next right thing to do. IMO it is booking family therapy, parents first, and insisting on going. I presume it’s school holidays where you are. Can 6yo come stay with grandparents too while you too have the conversation about attending therapy?

Great second step.

Simplynotsimple · 15/04/2025 23:35

George805 · 15/04/2025 23:28

I've already said several times now that yes counselling is being looked in to, no I am not taking youngest to live at my parents at this time because my eldest needs a brake from her bullying, I will of course still be seeing youngest, it's difficult to discipline youngest as wife just let's her do as she pleases and undermines me whilst I discipline her, so I have a lot of work ahead of me

Calling a six year old a bully as her father is pretty despicable. Blaming your wife for her behaviour yet you’ve painted yourself as a fully involved father up to now, so which is it? Surely as an equal parent of two children it is both your responsibilities of how your children develop. Every post you make is about how you push your eldest to be herself, yet your 6 year olds version of herself is so unacceptable you won’t even have her around her sister.

Have you spoken to your youngest since driving off with a packed bag and her sister?