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To think there’s dignity in work, no matter the job?

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TheWildMintBear · 14/04/2025 21:21

It seems like some people look down on certain types of work but isn’t there value and dignity in any job if you’re earning an honest living?

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OneTC · 15/04/2025 18:09

Foolsgold74 · 14/04/2025 22:36

Whereas countries in the Midfle East, China, the Far East etc reeaallly value manual, unskilled labour...All that H&S, fair wages and fair working conditions.

I'll remember to exclude them from future job searches, thanks.

Flytrap01 · 15/04/2025 16:00

Fair points

XenoBitch · 15/04/2025 15:45

Pickledpoppetpickle · 15/04/2025 15:41

Society does need entertainment, however. Football comes under that banner. Footballers earn a fortune, presumably their salaries being reflected in their pulling power at the stadium entrance. Should it be modified in some way? Probably.

Their huge salaries are not at the tax payer expense though. Is why it makes no sense when you see stuff online about how nurses earn less than footballers. The money comes from a different purse, and the top earning footballers are incredibly talented. You could be the best nurse on the ward (not sure how that would be measured) and you would still earn the same as the one that can't be arsed.

Pickledpoppetpickle · 15/04/2025 15:41

Flytrap01 · 14/04/2025 21:52

society does not need footballers

Society does need entertainment, however. Football comes under that banner. Footballers earn a fortune, presumably their salaries being reflected in their pulling power at the stadium entrance. Should it be modified in some way? Probably.

XenoBitch · 15/04/2025 15:32

There should be dignity in work, but if it is having an impact on your general wellbeing then that is a huge red flag to me. Lots of threads on here about bullying managers etc. It is not often the work making people ill but their boss and/or environment. There is no dignity in crying in your car before you start work.

My DM has a cleaning company and she really looks after her staff. A lot of people have been working for her for years. She sees them as people, not a number.

XenoBitch · 15/04/2025 15:25

Flytrap01 · 14/04/2025 21:52

society does not need footballers

Yes, we do.
The people doing "essential" work like those in healthcare, food production, energy, social care etc. Do they not deserve to see some entertainment?
We need entertainment to have some joy in life. Whether it is the latest series on Netflix, or bonding with your dad at a local footie match... it is all needed.
I don't like football.... but I would not begrudge anyone else for liking it.

QueefQueen80s · 15/04/2025 11:05

It annoys me that many of the most overpaid jobs are not contributing anything useful, yet many of the hard ones that really give to society are underpaid.

cafesandbookshops · 15/04/2025 10:53

Dappy777 · 14/04/2025 22:30

The people I really respect are the ones who contributes something to society. Nurses, binmen, teachers, engineers, supermarket shelf stackers, etc, all do vital, useful work (assuming they do their job well, of course). A skilled craftsman who builds, say, air-conditioning units, or water purifiers, Iphones, and then exports them, is contributing to the economy. I especially admire those who take pride in their work and produce something beautiful. Someone who makes really elegant suits for Saville Row, for example, or beautiful handmade shoes. Academics are often impressive people. They have a passion for their subject and a vast knowledge. I often listen to Melvyn Bragg’s In Our Time on Radio 4, and it’s amazing to hear these academics talking on everything from solar eclipses to Greek philosophy. In particular, I admire those who conduct scientific research. The people who work in the labs and study cancer or nuclear fusion or carbon emissions or whatever it may be are pushing the boundaries of knowledge and advancing our civilisation. So yeah, people who do useful work, who build and produce beautiful things, or who extend the limits of human knowledge - those are the people I most respect.

I have far less respect for estate agents and solicitors. I suppose they are necessary, but they are overpaid in comparison to a farm labourer or a lorry driver. And I often wonder just how necessary they really are. I also have a very low opinion of many self-made businessmen. I know a guy who made his money selling bathroom fittings. He made a profit because the stuff he sold was cheap and nasty and fell apart after six months or so (by which time he’d folded up the business). I know another man who made money selling hearing aids. Again, cheap, nasty rubbish. Both made a small fortune. Both have very high opinions of themselves, and consider themselves ‘winners’. To me they are grubby little cheats who’ve contributed nothing to society.

This post really resonated with me because I have similar thoughts and have been mostly a teacher over the last 15 years with a brief stint in healthcare as a care assistant. I am now being forced to re-evaluate these values as I am sick of the abuse and disrespectful behaviour I have to constantly endure when I am trying to teach. When I tell adults I am a teacher, their reaction is one of respect, but that is sadly not echoed at school and I have been sworn at, told to 'f off', had things thrown at me, kids throwing things at each other so I can't turn my back even for 1 sec to write something on the board, I've had my classroom door slammed more times than I can count, have kids physically running away and hiding under tables and stairs when they should be in class etc. and am repeatedly told that my subject (as an optional one) is pointless and less important than other core subjects even by my higher GCSE pupils. I set them homework the other week and 1 person did it. They know if they band together and stand against you as a teacher, there isn't much you can do and I regularly have to press a 'help' button if fights break out or I feel unsafe.

As a result, I am now looking at jobs in law and business where I know my communication skills (humanities background) will be well compensated and hopefully valued. The salaries are better as well but for me it isn't even about that, I am fed up of being intimidated and disrespected at work. I am trying to come to terms with being a less 'caring' and 'productive' member of the the workforce but at this point if it helps me regain my sanity, so be it!

Nothanks17 · 15/04/2025 07:06

Love this post. I hope it makes people think about the judging and to respect everybody.

Society would not function without everyone doing their jobs. And jobs give you purpose, occupation and a sense of self.

Tbrh · 15/04/2025 02:42

I don't think anyone looks down at any jobs, we might know we wouldn't want to do them, but I don't think anyone looks down. If anything they'd respect the person

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 15/04/2025 01:26

Flytrap01 · 15/04/2025 01:12

people should aspire to the financial sector or the science industry etc not people kicking a ball about

I’m 61. I never aspired to the financial sector or science industry. Both really boring in my eyes.

CiaoMeow · 15/04/2025 01:25

I think dignity is innate in all people as a natural birth right. Work, whatever it is irrelevant. People who do no work at all have equal dignity to those who do. Society may regard them with disdain and view them as less, or lazy and useless, but other people's views don't affect or negate their inherent dignity.

Flytrap01 · 15/04/2025 01:12

TempestTost · 15/04/2025 01:06

Professional athletes are entertainers. High tier entertainers are generally overpaid, but I wouldn't say unnecessary.

people should aspire to the financial sector or the science industry etc not people kicking a ball about

TempestTost · 15/04/2025 01:06

Flytrap01 · 14/04/2025 21:52

society does not need footballers

Professional athletes are entertainers. High tier entertainers are generally overpaid, but I wouldn't say unnecessary.

Hollyhedge · 15/04/2025 00:08

Definitely. You are doing something useful

ManchesterGirl2 · 15/04/2025 00:07

Yes to cleaners etc. But some jobs are pretty immoral. In our current system there are companies who'll make the world a worse place as long as there's profit in it. Not much dignity in being a lobbyist working for a gambling firm for example.

PluckyBamboo · 15/04/2025 00:06

I hate people being judged for the work they do. Take Birmingham, up to their neck in rubbish as the refuse collectors are on strike. You soon realise how important people working in "unskilled" jobs are when they don't turn up for work.

(Pretty sure driving a bin lorry does require a lot of skill btw and all the H&S that refuse collectors adhere to...)

IDontHateRainbows · 14/04/2025 23:58

HoskinsChoice · 14/04/2025 21:25

Absolutely. Every single job in the world is doing something that someone either wants or needs otherwise the job wouldn't exist.

I've worked in a job where I was neither wanted nor needed, as evidenced by the fact that after I resigned, I wasn't and still haven't been replaced 2 years on. Tasks were absorbed by my manager or others in the team.

It was one of the most depressing work experiences of my life. Purpose is vitally impossible.

PrimitivePerson · 14/04/2025 23:57

OakElmAsh · 14/04/2025 23:54

I truly believe doing some work, any work, that helps feed or house you or your family, either directly by doing the tasks required to run a house or raise a family or whatever, or through earning money to buy what's necessary absolutely has inherent value

Now you've expanded a bit on that, I'll agree, there's value in what needs doing to look after your family. But if you limit it to purely paid work, then I think it's nonsense.

OakElmAsh · 14/04/2025 23:54

PrimitivePerson · 14/04/2025 22:45

I don't, it's nonsense.

I truly believe doing some work, any work, that helps feed or house you or your family, either directly by doing the tasks required to run a house or raise a family or whatever, or through earning money to buy what's necessary absolutely has inherent value

Bunnybear42 · 14/04/2025 23:17

Think I clicked the wrong button as not got my glasses on. yanbu !!

Flytrap01 · 14/04/2025 23:14

The COVID-19 pandemic acted as a global stress test—exposing the fault lines in modern society and stripping back the façade of what we believe is indispensable. When lockdowns were imposed and economies slowed to a halt, it became startlingly clear that society does not rely on the vast majority of industries we once considered central to our lives. What remained standing—and crucial—were the essential services: healthcare, food supply, sanitation, utilities, transportation, and communication infrastructure. These sectors became the backbone of survival and continuity. Everything else, as the pandemic starkly revealed, was largely auxiliary fluff, a by-product of consumer capitalism, and a mechanism to keep the majority occupied in a relentless pursuit of financial security.

This is not to devalue those non-essential sectors entirely, but rather to place them in perspective. The reality is that much of the modern economy is not about sustaining life or ensuring societal stability; it is about generating wealth, creating demand where none existed, and maintaining a system that rewards perpetual motion over genuine need. COVID-19 proved that society can function albeit in a reduced state without the vast apparatus of marketing, entertainment, luxury services, and speculative finance. But it cannot function without the people who stock supermarket shelves, drive delivery vans, staff hospitals, or maintain energy grids.

Yet this realisation leads to a deeper question: who looks after the people doing the looking after? The pandemic also revealed how underpaid, undervalued, and overexploited our essential workers are. Society may depend on them, but the system in place treats them as expendable. So while the crisis demonstrated what is truly necessary, it also exposed a moral contradiction: if these roles are essential, why are they not treated as such in terms of compensation, respect, and support?

The challenge moving forward is not just to recognise what is essential, but to reorganise society in a way that genuinely reflects that reality. That means rethinking economic priorities, redistributing value, and re-evaluating the societal status we assign to various forms of labour. It also means questioning a capitalist logic that prioritises productivity over well-being, and that too often marginalises care, community, and resilience the very foundations upon which we relied when everything else stopped.

Blackbookofsmiles1 · 14/04/2025 23:14

The rich are the laziest, most have never worked a day in their life and pay others to do it for them, that’s the height of laziness!

TheFastTraybake · 14/04/2025 23:14

Not much dignity in child labour.

crackofdoom · 14/04/2025 23:14

HoskinsChoice · 14/04/2025 22:51

In a capitalist world, why on earth would a business employ someone if they are not contributing something?

Whether people like their jobs or not is irrelevant. They are still doing something considerably more useful than doing nothing at all.

So great is your respect for common folk that you assume if they weren't working for money then they wouldn't be doing anything at all.

That's nice 🙄