Death penalty for these evil prisoners

💯 agree. Death penalty for these mosters along with rapists, murderers and paedophiles. Obviously you'd need irrefutable evidence as to not execute the wrongly accused.

Just put him in solitary confinement for life. The next best punishment to the death penalty, protects the people around him as minimal contact. Just meals every few hours through a slot and he can live the rest of his life contemplating his actions or not.

If someone like Tommy Robinson can be put in solitary for contempt of court which often doesn't even get a custodial sentence, then surely it's completely appropriate for someone involved in the murder of dozens of people including children and the attempted murder of prison officers?

If you bring back the death penalty, if there’s a miscarriage of justice, who gets executed? Judge who sentence them? The jury who convicted them or is it all on the executioner?

OP, I don’t think you have answered yet whether you accept miscarriages of justice like the Birmingham Six as valid collateral damage, to ensure that this criminal could be executed.

Certainly the appeal court judge (or one or them) said it would have been preferable for them to be executed than to have the police and forensic service questioned. Presumably you agree with that? And are you happy for that rule to be applied to your own family?

Capital Punishment is a complex issue.

Often, after reading reports of the grotesque murders of children, I feel absolutely certain that it is the most just course of action to execute those that are guilty of these horrific and (mercifully) quite rare acts of utter evil. It sends a very clear signal that there are absolute red lines that society, as a collective, will just not tolerate.

However, I have three major concerns.

1. Potential miscarriages of justice. Although this risk has lessened significantly with the advent of DNA, forensics, widespread cctv and so on since the UK abolished capital punishment decades ago, there is still a very small risk of wrongful conviction.

2. Cost.
   It’s actually more expensive to execute than pay for life time imprisonment. The financial costs of Capital Punishment are huge. For example, in the USA, prisoners will sit on Death Row for years while their case undergoes a lengthy (and very expensive) legal appeals process.

3. State over-reach.
   For me, this is the most convincing argument against Capital Punishment. I look at the Establishment (government, the CPS, judges etc) and the idea of giving such people and institutions this level of power over its citizens chills my blood. I simply do not trust them.

So it’s a reluctant “no” from me, OP.

Fundamental problem: to carry out executions, the state has to turn civil servants, doctors etc into murderers.

Basically, state sanctioned serial killers.

How would they be recruited? Via Linkedin / Indeed? 'Job role: Executioner. Necessary experience and personal qualities include ... '?

How would they be trained? Who would do the training? By definition the first executioners would be untrained amateurs as there's no-one left here.

So there would need to be a visa / work permit to begin with. Category: subject matter expert in training execution techniques.

How would they practice? On animals? How would we justify that in terms of animal welfare? Or bypassing that, would they go straight in to killing people and learn on the job?

What kind of person would that attract?

And by allowing them permission to kill, might they find they have a taste for it and find their own victims?

And if they dont start off being a psychopath, what does being an executioner do to a person? Their mental health? To their partners and children?

We've left all that barbarity behind in the UK. We're better than that.

It is from that perspective. That people are envious of people in prison because they get a roof over their heads and three meals a day.

Obviously they can't choose what they eat, wear or to to open a window and get some fresh air but they do get fed.

This isn't a popular view, but we should have questioned giving sanctuary to that particular family. I think that we downplay terrorism by individuals influenced by ISIS and as we've seen in the Southport case, we don't take enough seriously. No other group orders to kill the way Isis extremists do.

In my opinion, a civilised society should never have a death penalty. It isn’t just the issue of state killing and finding an efficient way of doing it, or the morality of the killing. What people who are in favour of never seem to consider is the effects on everyone involved. The Jurors in murder trials struggling with bringing in a guilty verdict for fear of being wrong, or because they can’t bear the idea of state killing. The Judges who have to give the sentence. The prison officers who have to care for the convicted person until they are killed, including during the night before the killing is to be carried out, then to escort them to the death chamber (as they call it in the US) and accompany them whilst they are killed. My ex husband was a prison officer, a ‘man’s man’, quite tough. He worked in the toughest jails in the UK during his career (he’s retired now) and with some of the worst of the worst of men, but he didn’t agree with the death penalty and would have found it traumatic to work with those who would have to undergo it. Then there are the executioners. There is a high risk of psychological harm being caused to all of these innocents in having the death penalty.

Did you agree with the execution of Ruth Ellis or was her's a crime of passion?
What about other abused women who the men abusing them?

The issue is that there are much more premeditated, really nasty cases of manslaughter than there are murder.

In the cases of deaths of children, a manslaughter/neglect conviction is usually the norm. In this case he wouldn't have got the death sentence because he was only 20 at the time of the offence and even if he had, it would still be under appeal.
I doubt that the people the public wouldn't want to exist, would be the ones getting the death sentence.

I think they should get solitary confinement. No going out of cells ever. If they are locked in their cell in a high security unit with no access to anything they won't be able to harm others. No exercise either just let them rot within their cell.

Well as someone who had 2 very close family members at the Ariana Grande concert that night & luckily lived to tell the tale - I would be happy to volunteer to shoot the bastard or flick the switch.

And I'm usually against the death penalty
But when it happens to your loved ones you may change your mind

Edited: spelling

No.

Nope. Choosing to kill them reduces me, not their crimes.

Well it probably is cost effective in China, and any other country with scant regard for human rights or fair trials.

In the US, convicts who are sentenced to death average around 20 years on death row, largely due to the robust appeals system (which, of course, still results in innocent people being executed.

In China, it's far swifter. See for example Huugjilt; an 18 year old who was the first to attend a scene of a rape and murder, and reported it to the police. He was convinced and executed within 61 days.

The actual murderer confessed around a decade later.

China also has an extremely high conviction rate (about 90%) which is extremely high and unlikely to be consistent with a fair and just system.

If people are comfortable with tossing out our justice system, and insteqd just let the government execute citizens on scant evidence, without a fair trial or rigjts to appeal, then the death penalty would indeed be a big cost saver.

Honestly, while I get (and sometimes share) the impulse to want to see heinous criminals executed, there is nothing good about the death penalty. I can't believe it's still subject to so much debate.

The real joke is the millions of innoceng people who are free in society yet can't afford the very basics that these prisoners are given for free. People being made homeless every day and unale to feed themselves to a very basic degree. Fucking joke.of a country

All murderers think their actions can be justified. This includes murders sanctioned by the state. I want to live in a society that treats everyone as humanely as possible no matter what they have done.

I really, really don't want a penny of UK finances spent on this vile waste of space. I abhor the thought of the death penalty but in certain cases.....

Killing a criminal just makes murderers of us too. Yes, life should be life, and without extras. Just basic amenities as suggested in that POA report.

I think China claims it's cost effective but who knows.

Life should mean life but invariably people are released early and many go on to kill & harm again.

Thank goodness you were here to suggest "but what if the person had done very bad things?"

I'm sure that scenario hadn't even crossed the PP's mind.

I disagree totally with the concept that the state should have the right to decide that certain groups of people should be killed. Even if those people are prisoners who have done awful things. We are all protected while the state cannot kill any of us. Once we let that genie back out of the bottle who knows where it will lead? All it takes is a rogue government and any of us could be in the crosshairs if our face no longer fits. If you think I'm crazy or paranoid just look at the state of the world and think how much of it you would have said was not possible just a few years ago.

Given that seems to be the best argument anyone can actually come up with for it, it completely demolishes any justification for it at all.

I think there's plenty of people who deserve whole-life tariffs, and there are, of course, plenty of people who have them - that to me is an absolutely colossal punishment, even if you end up in a fairly cushy jail. I don't think we need anything harsher than that.

Exactly. The death penalty isn't even cost effective.