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Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 16:54

Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

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ladyamy · 14/04/2025 07:31

spicemaiden · 13/04/2025 19:49

Medical/physical most certainly can.

Fair enough, actually. I stand corrected! .

Namechangetry · 14/04/2025 07:25

Yes you are being unreasonable because it doesn’t happen and you are contributing to the narrative that people on disability benefits are scroungers

It most definitely does happen and no, I am am not saying nor have I ever said that ALL people on disability benefits are scroungers, stop trying to twist what I said

The government themselves said the fraud level for PIP is 0%

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/dwp-disability-benefit-fraud-pip/#:~:text=Almost%20no%20recorded%20cases%20of,the%20welfare%20system%20more%20widely.

Edited because missed out the post o was replying to

Pictue · 14/04/2025 02:07

SpringIsSpringing25 · 13/04/2025 17:55

I can't imagine how difficult your life must be🤗

But why have you quoted? @gamerchick

When I said I agree. I meant as in I agree with what @gamerchick said (not what the OP said).

My comments regarding walking a mile in people's shoes are then to the OP.

I guess I'm sick and tired of the 'little person' attacking the other 'little person' which is what the powers that be want.

The masses are, once again, being manipulated by the media (and therefore, the 'ruling class')

Ironically, I'm so worn down by years and years of coping relentlessly in my caring role, that I am now developing mental health problems!

Mylovemine · 13/04/2025 23:51

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:45

Yes you are being unreasonable because it doesn’t happen and you are contributing to the narrative that people on disability benefits are scroungers

It most definitely does happen and no, I am am not saying nor have I ever said that ALL people on disability benefits are scroungers, stop trying to twist what I said

How does it happen?

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:45

Mylovemine · 13/04/2025 23:38

Yes you are being unreasonable because it doesn’t happen and you are contributing to the narrative that people on disability benefits are scroungers. People with disabilities of any kind have bad or good days. you need evidence such as witnesses like professionals who work with you who have witnessed the impact your disability has on you to claim disability; wether physical or mental. claims are reviewed regularly for recent evidence unless the condition is unlikely to improve - but even then people have been given regular reviews for conditions that don’t change. Assessors don’t award the correct points and often write that someone is capable of something because they can do something else that they compare it to or say they can always do it when they’re can’t. Sometimes people will see a snippet of someone’s life and make assumptions that they are fine when they’re not.

Yes you are being unreasonable because it doesn’t happen and you are contributing to the narrative that people on disability benefits are scroungers

It most definitely does happen and no, I am am not saying nor have I ever said that ALL people on disability benefits are scroungers, stop trying to twist what I said

Mylovemine · 13/04/2025 23:38

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:10

I’m not being defensive at all, I’m just stating well known facts
Am I not allowed as a taxpayer to get a little bit annoyed that there are certain people ( not all) out there screwing the system while other people go to work and pay taxes that partially fund their lifestyle

Yes you are being unreasonable because it doesn’t happen and you are contributing to the narrative that people on disability benefits are scroungers. People with disabilities of any kind have bad or good days. you need evidence such as witnesses like professionals who work with you who have witnessed the impact your disability has on you to claim disability; wether physical or mental. claims are reviewed regularly for recent evidence unless the condition is unlikely to improve - but even then people have been given regular reviews for conditions that don’t change. Assessors don’t award the correct points and often write that someone is capable of something because they can do something else that they compare it to or say they can always do it when they’re can’t. Sometimes people will see a snippet of someone’s life and make assumptions that they are fine when they’re not.

Flytrap01 · 13/04/2025 23:30

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:28

Both need to be focused on

true

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:28

Flytrap01 · 13/04/2025 23:23

yes because more ££ can be gained from focusing on those other areas why focus on the small fish when you can go for the big fish first if its about making more ££ for the country as a whole

Both need to be focused on

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 23:27

If you get PIP the housing cap does not apply in the same way.

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 23:26

A month? No. You would not get a single room for that.

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Maitri108 · 13/04/2025 23:24

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 23:20

That is the cap for a 1 bedroom flat housing allowance where I live

I thought that the housing cap outside London was £283.71.

Flytrap01 · 13/04/2025 23:23

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:19

Where are you getting that from? I don’t know anyone who thinks that’s ok
Are you trying to deflect for some reason?

yes because more ££ can be gained from focusing on those other areas why focus on the small fish when you can go for the big fish first if its about making more ££ for the country as a whole

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 23:20

Maitri108 · 13/04/2025 23:11

I think you got housing wrong as well as there's a cap depending on where you live.

That is the cap for a 1 bedroom flat housing allowance where I live

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Mumble12 · 13/04/2025 23:19

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 22:06

LCWRA £416 a month.
Housing allowance £548 a month
UC single person £368 a month
Council tax allowance varies but about £600 a month
Lower rate PIP without mobility, some will get more £312
Total = £2154

Sorry £600 per month for council tax 😂

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:19

Flytrap01 · 13/04/2025 23:15

and yet people think its ok for companies to pay pittance or large corporations can also screw the system via tax avoidance etc

Where are you getting that from? I don’t know anyone who thinks that’s ok
Are you trying to deflect for some reason?

ToWhitToWhoo · 13/04/2025 23:17

There are obviously some people who fake illness or disability. And the number may even be increasing as a result of all the publicity given to the matter. Scammers may start thinking 'Oh, this is something I could try'. On the whole, harshness to vulnerable people is likely to harm the Oliver Twists of the world, while the Artful Dodgers are more likely to be able to find ways to work the system.

However, it's generally accepted by those who investigate such things that disability-fakers are rare, and that most benefit fraud involves failure to declare income either from an undeclared job or from a partner. Yet people seem far more obsessed with the former than with the latter.

In any case, the existence of fraudsters is no reason to penalize the genuinely ill or disabled.

Flytrap01 · 13/04/2025 23:15

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:10

I’m not being defensive at all, I’m just stating well known facts
Am I not allowed as a taxpayer to get a little bit annoyed that there are certain people ( not all) out there screwing the system while other people go to work and pay taxes that partially fund their lifestyle

and yet people think its ok for companies to pay pittance or large corporations can also screw the system via tax avoidance etc

Maitri108 · 13/04/2025 23:14

And now you're saying she has a severe mental impairment.

Maitri108 · 13/04/2025 23:11

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 22:55

Sorry got council tax allowance totally wrong. Brain fart.
About £100 a month. If you have a serious mental illness you can also apply for a discounted council tax from your local authority, so this could be more.
So total =£1654

That is on lower rate PIP and with no mobility PIP. So some people will get more.

I think you got housing wrong as well as there's a cap depending on where you live.

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 23:10

CJsGoldfish · 13/04/2025 22:59

I don't understand the failure to acknowledge this.
If it doesn't apply to you, there is no need for the defensiveness. An adult has the ability to know what is required to be diagnosed with certain conditions and ensure they can tick each box. There are many reasons why someone needs/wants the label they seek and denying it happens doesn't mean it doesn't happen 🤷‍♀️

There are many people who use 'mental health' to avoid certain situations. Pretty sure we all know it and acknowledging it doesn't take anything away from those who are genuinely too unwell to manage those same situations.

I’m not being defensive at all, I’m just stating well known facts
Am I not allowed as a taxpayer to get a little bit annoyed that there are certain people ( not all) out there screwing the system while other people go to work and pay taxes that partially fund their lifestyle

WeylandYutani · 13/04/2025 23:06

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 23:04

No unless they have children they are unlikely to get UC.

So you are also throwing kids into the mix. It gets more complicated.

Basically, a single disabled person who does not work WILL NOT be getting more in benefits than a single person on NMW.

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 23:04

WeylandYutani · 13/04/2025 23:03

And some people get no PIP
Is why it is pointles comparing people on benefits with people who are on none.
And people on NMW will most likely be on them as a top up anyway.

No unless they have children they are unlikely to get UC.

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WeylandYutani · 13/04/2025 23:03

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 22:55

Sorry got council tax allowance totally wrong. Brain fart.
About £100 a month. If you have a serious mental illness you can also apply for a discounted council tax from your local authority, so this could be more.
So total =£1654

That is on lower rate PIP and with no mobility PIP. So some people will get more.

And some people get no PIP
Is why it is pointles comparing people on benefits with people who are on none.
And people on NMW will most likely be on them as a top up anyway.

CJsGoldfish · 13/04/2025 22:59

Hastentoadd · 13/04/2025 21:09

I would think with all the knowledge on mental health out there now and info so widely and readily available that it wouldn’t be an extremely difficult thing to do unfortunately

I don't understand the failure to acknowledge this.
If it doesn't apply to you, there is no need for the defensiveness. An adult has the ability to know what is required to be diagnosed with certain conditions and ensure they can tick each box. There are many reasons why someone needs/wants the label they seek and denying it happens doesn't mean it doesn't happen 🤷‍♀️

There are many people who use 'mental health' to avoid certain situations. Pretty sure we all know it and acknowledging it doesn't take anything away from those who are genuinely too unwell to manage those same situations.

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 22:55

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 22:06

LCWRA £416 a month.
Housing allowance £548 a month
UC single person £368 a month
Council tax allowance varies but about £600 a month
Lower rate PIP without mobility, some will get more £312
Total = £2154

Sorry got council tax allowance totally wrong. Brain fart.
About £100 a month. If you have a serious mental illness you can also apply for a discounted council tax from your local authority, so this could be more.
So total =£1654

That is on lower rate PIP and with no mobility PIP. So some people will get more.

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