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Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 16:54

Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

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Coffeeishot · 13/04/2025 17:16

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:14

@Youcancheck Nope. I know people with mental health problems who work.
These friends are not pretending to have mental health problems, their issues are real. I simply think the principle of receiving more money than someone working full time is wrong.

You Want your friends to be in poverty because they have an illness?

Youcancheck · 13/04/2025 17:16

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:14

@Youcancheck Nope. I know people with mental health problems who work.
These friends are not pretending to have mental health problems, their issues are real. I simply think the principle of receiving more money than someone working full time is wrong.

It is because having a disability costs more. Are you regularly reviewing these people’s incomings and outgoings? You have no idea what extra expenses they have.

Also - you are really playing right into the hands of those responsible for cuts to have a disabled person judging others with health issues / disabilities is exactly what they want rather than everyone collaborating and fighting this kind of thing.

Coffeeishot · 13/04/2025 17:15

And some people talk about "mental health issues" like they are a mild cold or something.

Flytrap01 · 13/04/2025 17:15

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:14

@Youcancheck Nope. I know people with mental health problems who work.
These friends are not pretending to have mental health problems, their issues are real. I simply think the principle of receiving more money than someone working full time is wrong.

and i think its wrong companies paying so little that the workers then need a universial credit top up

Mumble12 · 13/04/2025 17:15

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:14

@Youcancheck Nope. I know people with mental health problems who work.
These friends are not pretending to have mental health problems, their issues are real. I simply think the principle of receiving more money than someone working full time is wrong.

So you think that’s someone who has no control over their ability to earn a living, should be living on a bare minimum income? Why?

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:14

@Youcancheck Nope. I know people with mental health problems who work.
These friends are not pretending to have mental health problems, their issues are real. I simply think the principle of receiving more money than someone working full time is wrong.

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Coffeeishot · 13/04/2025 17:13

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:11

I am disabled. I have a physical disability.
You are all assuming there is a black and white situation of disabled can not work, non disabled can work.
It is tiresome.

You are not making much sense, what is your point about work and mental health ?

Mumble12 · 13/04/2025 17:13

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:06

I understand that.
You support someone getting more money than they would get working full time at a national minimum wage job?

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If they’re too ill to work then yes. I don’t think disabled people should have to live like paupers.

Starlightstarbright4 · 13/04/2025 17:12

bestcatlife · 13/04/2025 17:08

Wrong. Someone working FT minimum wage with no MH issues is much better off than the person struggling with poor MH. They just are. End of.

This ..
sick to death of these types of posts these days .

focus on your own life

Youcancheck · 13/04/2025 17:12

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:11

I am disabled. I have a physical disability.
You are all assuming there is a black and white situation of disabled can not work, non disabled can work.
It is tiresome.

Isn’t that exactly what you are assuming though about MH issues ?

Flytrap01 · 13/04/2025 17:12

@YourTidyScroller companies need people on basic wages so they can make £££ profits instead. its the companies that should pay more overall.
if running a business is so profitable etc then pay the workers better

bestcatlife · 13/04/2025 17:12

*The person on long term benefits isn't putting I towards a pension, will never get promoted, and their benefits could be removed or reduced at any second.

It's hardly the good life.*

  • exactly. Every day the same, no hope for the future, no prospects, no money for days out , holidays or anything nice ever. It must be an awful existence. I don't begrudge these people the measly sum they receive in benefits.
Sirzy · 13/04/2025 17:12

One of the good things with the UC is that it’s not all or nothing. If someone works and earns over the working allowance their UC drops by 55p per pound over that allowance. So someone working will be better off than if they only claim benefits.

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:11

I am disabled. I have a physical disability.
You are all assuming there is a black and white situation of disabled can not work, non disabled can work.
It is tiresome.

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Youcancheck · 13/04/2025 17:11

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:09

Do you always have a go at people whose literacy is not as good as yours?

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Yes because god forbid someone is unkind or critical of others

BloodandGlitter · 13/04/2025 17:10

I don't pay for a carer, my DH stays home all day every day to make sure I don't fucking off myself. I don't need a stranger to do that.

Octavia64 · 13/04/2025 17:10

I have mental health problems and I get ESA and PIP and I employ a carer.

i don’t get UC because until I stopped working two years ago after working for twenty years I saved money so I’m also living on my savings.

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:09

TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 17:08

Person with literacy problems should check before posting.

Do you always have a go at people whose literacy is not as good as yours?

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Coffeeishot · 13/04/2025 17:09

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 16:54

Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

Several people you say ,How many is several ?

Youcancheck · 13/04/2025 17:09

It’s just getting tedious now with all these types of threads …
idiots making out that:

Unfair Cash! (UC)
Pretend Illness Payments! (PIP)
Looks Clearly Well/ Really Able!(LCW/LCWRA)

How can people be so bitter? It’s like a perfectly well person being jealous of someone really ill needing frequent surgeries and appointments at hospital. Yes they are getting more spent on their healthcare because they need it likewise those getting disability benefits need that extra just from a different safety net pot. Imagine being jealous of the disabled. .

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YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:09

bestcatlife · 13/04/2025 17:08

Wrong. Someone working FT minimum wage with no MH issues is much better off than the person struggling with poor MH. They just are. End of.

Lots of people working full time have mental health problems as well. Its not as black and white as you paint it.
Yes to get ESA and PIP your mental health issues have to be worse.

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TheBuffetInspector · 13/04/2025 17:08

Person with literacy problems should check before posting.

BloodandGlitter · 13/04/2025 17:08

You really think any amount of money in the world could convince me that wanting to kill myself everyday, staying awake all night scared to sleep because DH might stop breathing, self harming regularly because I can't handle my own emotions and not being able to leave the fucking house is better than recovering?
I'm actually shaking I'm so angry that you would presume people would rather fucking suffer every single day then recover for £2k a mon th?!

SpringIsSpringing25 · 13/04/2025 17:08

LadyKenya · 13/04/2025 16:56

Another thread about this?🥱

Yeah, must be at least, oh what?, 15 minutes.?!

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 13/04/2025 17:08

YourTidyScroller · 13/04/2025 17:06

I understand that.
You support someone getting more money than they would get working full time at a national minimum wage job?

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The person on long term benefits isn't putting I towards a pension, will never get promoted, and their benefits could be removed or reduced at any second.

It's hardly the good life.