Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

Yet, you’re clearly not their friend. Where is your empathy, OP?

This. I'm actually physically disabled (but ill health has brought MH issues too). At 35 I was declared by the nhs pension service (and an independent doctor) that they felt I would never be expected to work again. Dismissed and given an ill health pension (the pension is deducted from my benefits entitlement). I would be on about £46000 now (without any promotions). I have a minimal pension now in my 40s but couldn't add to it. The worry of living on benefits, money being taken away is immense. The government think I'm going to be able to go back to work (not sure how). The assessment process is not fit for purpose. Each assessment has reduced my points (even though I've deteriorated). The worry everytime it comes around to reassessment is immense.
When my dc reach 18 they will have to leave home because I'll nolonger beable to afford a home the size I need to accommodate them. I won't be able to support them through university. I would not choose this way of life.
Working brings choice that living on benefits doesn't.

Some employers probably couldn’t pay more without severely impacting their ability to trade. But plenty of companies could absolutely pay more. A company like Tesco for example with billions of pounds of profit could (and should) absolutely pay more.

well sherlock so do use workers and its a piss take that some workers need universal credit top ups.

i thought society got rid of slave labour years ago and basiclly the pittance workers get paid vs the value of the labour they produce etc workers should be paid better or society needs a new system to replace capitalism

There's a purpose behind these constant threads (and those on some other subjects, such as grooming gangs).

The aim is to work on the emotions of those broadly in agreement - to make them angrier and angrier - and to exhaust everyone else.

You don't engage in a proper argument, you don't admit that things are always imperfect, that issues might be complex, you just repeat the same lines over and over again.

OK, let's do a little thought experiment here.

OP, imagine that prices are exactly the same as they are now. You are working a NMW job, but getting £5k in the bank. Your person with mental ill health is getting £6k in benefits.

You are both very comfortable.

Now do you still feel the same way about the situation?

It would be great if it was only once a day instead of several times every day🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️🙇🏻‍♀️

It's so tiresome.

I want to know why. I want to know if it's legitimately because it will dis incentivise employers to remain here. I find that hard to believe.

I find it hard to believe select corporations can't afford to pay much more and be compelled to do so. I don't understand why it isn't happening.

It’s not as simple as that though is it? Companies also have bills etc to pay

Yes. Someone who has been deemed unfit to work, whether through physical or mental disability, cannot just fix themselves because benefits might be cut. That’s the comparison.

There will be people who are quadriplegic who are perfectly capable of work and there will be people with mental health conditions who are perfectly able to work. That does not extend to everyone with either condition. Nor does it give anyone else the right to decide whether or not they think someone is capable of work.

lets leave that to the doctors shall we

It does get tiring repeatedly explaining this to you.

There is a certain minimum that people need to exist, the benefits system barely reaches this level. Expecting people to live on this is unreasonable. It is not unreasonable to expect employers to pay more than enough for people to barely exist on..

What is it about that that you find so complicated to understand?

Gosh, what a novel idea for a thread!

Do we have to have this thread every day? What is this, Groundhog Day?

That’s not what OP said

Why should people with mental health problems get benefits that are more than full time on the minimum wage though?

I can’t see much incentive to try and get back into work if that is the case.

And we know that higher wages aren’t going to be coming anytime soon with Labour upping employer national insurance contributions…

I agree.

It should not be necessary for people in full-time work to have to claim in work benefits. That is the actual problem here.

It's a thread where the OP doesn't see that that is the actual problem here, not the amount that disabled people get on benefits.

This is one solution, however it's not that simple if minimum wage, or other mechanisms to force higher wages, aren't in play.

In plenty of sectors people buy the cheapest products and services, so the company that pays workers the least will have an advantage. There will always be companies like this that serve those with the least to spend.

So what's really necessary is a mechanism that would mean jobs reflect a real living wage.

then it does not give companies the right to have what abouts to slave labour ?

You’re seriously comparing a quadriplegic with someone with mental health issues?

Why?

So what you're saying is, people who are unable to work for health reasons, should not be given enough money to live on?

NMW isn't enough to live on as it is, which is why some working people get a UC top up.

Why do you want disabled people to get less than it costs to live on, especially when it costs about £1000 extra a month for a disabled person to literally just exist?

You can be all wide-eyed and innocent if you like, but we all know it's just another ableist thread.

I've raised this on previous threads. The reply is that certain organisations would leave if they felt it wasn't cost effective to remain in the UK.

I don't believe that every corporation would just leave if compelled to pay a slightly higher salary via legislation introduced by Government.

I may be wrong, I may be naive.

Is this a thread where we solve why wages are so low in the UK, or is it a thread where we all shout at each other? Asking for me.

I think because some mental health issues would still have costs that a person without mental health issues wouldnt have.

One cost in particular would be housing. Depending on the mental health issue in question, I'm not sure a house share would be appropriate (which is the expectation on single people in minimum wage) It cause safety issues for either the person with mental health issues or for thier housemates.