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Most shops are just landfill waiting to happen.

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SummerDaytoNight · 13/04/2025 10:47

I mean, all are to a point, but I’m talking about the non essential ones.

Our society is engineering its own collapse. We only need food, health, house basics and clothing. And I suppose, technology.

Fast fashion could go. Housing should just be the essentials.

My friend took me into a shop called sostrene grene. It was lovely, but nothing was essential. Most shops are like that.

The horse has bolted, but I wish we could limit the unnecessarily stuff and just have the basics. Im not talking Amish level, but there’s no need for all this waste. It would be so much better if only the essentials were produced.

At the point of production, it’s already basically landfill.

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Auburngal · 17/04/2025 17:18

SnoozingFox · 17/04/2025 17:06

FFS even mumsnet are at it. On my list of threads we have :

"In need of a complete new wardrobe" and "Have you got outfits for Easter?"

I do not know anyone who gets a new outfit for Easter. I understand kids under 5 having an outfit/top with Peter Rabbit, bunnies, lambs, flowers.

I will be wearing a hoodie, comfy trousers and trainers, my usual dress sense this time of the year.

DuesToTheDirt · 17/04/2025 17:17

SnoozingFox · 17/04/2025 17:06

FFS even mumsnet are at it. On my list of threads we have :

"In need of a complete new wardrobe" and "Have you got outfits for Easter?"

I thought exactly the same at those headlines, though I clicked on them all annoyed and it turns out they're for growing children.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 17/04/2025 17:16

SnoozingFox · 17/04/2025 17:06

FFS even mumsnet are at it. On my list of threads we have :

"In need of a complete new wardrobe" and "Have you got outfits for Easter?"

I noticed that… !

SnoozingFox · 17/04/2025 17:06

FFS even mumsnet are at it. On my list of threads we have :

"In need of a complete new wardrobe" and "Have you got outfits for Easter?"

user1471467504 · 17/04/2025 14:08

kattaduck · 17/04/2025 13:57

We have to make changes. We have to produce less and we have to cut back on waste

I certainly agree but I think incentives often work better than banning products.
What about giving monetary incentives to people if they produce less than a certain amount of waste. Or giving out vouchers to people if they use a repair srvice instead of throwing away their washing machine.
I would also love for celebrities to endorse that lifestyle. Taylor Swift or Kate Middleton were 50% vintage clothes would certainly send a stronger message than some virtuous preaching.

Totally agree. We sort of have something like this for manufacturers in the UK. Manufacturers have to declare the amount of packaging they place on the market and they are charged a fee accordingly. So there's defiantly things happening in the background - maybe not enough. I think the voucher thing is a great idea.

suburburban · 17/04/2025 14:06

Badbadbunny · 17/04/2025 11:58

My point was that no one seems to care about the huge waste of plastic on wrapping "big" items, and obsess about carrier bags and straws.

When we had our G-Plan sofas delivered, they came in a cloth handling bags with handles etc - no cardboard, no plastic. Re-usable, the delivery guys took them away with them for future deliveries.

So there are options. Trouble is that plastic is cheap which is why it's used. Consumers should be willing to pay that bit extra for more sustainable delivery options or at least ask at the furniture store about packaging. But I'd imagine most consumers don't give it a second thought. They're happy with their virtue signalling obsessing about the small stuff.

Clothes never used to be individually wrapped between factory and shop. They were sent in bundles. Now virtually every item is unnecessarily singly packed in plastic bags. You seen the shop workers unpacking individual items before putting on racks/shelves, and those individually wrapped items are already packed in larger packed bundles or boxes. Completely unnecessary. Huge waste for no reason at all. The items would still be clean and neat if they just came in their bundles/boxes. It's not as if they were left unpackaged in the back of a lorry!

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Seasalt are good at not using excess packaging

suburburban · 17/04/2025 14:04

I was out shopping today and there was just piles of stuff to buy in Dunelm and M&S. I can understand why people succumb. So much choice.

I didn’t and bought groceries

kattaduck · 17/04/2025 13:57

We have to make changes. We have to produce less and we have to cut back on waste

I certainly agree but I think incentives often work better than banning products.
What about giving monetary incentives to people if they produce less than a certain amount of waste. Or giving out vouchers to people if they use a repair srvice instead of throwing away their washing machine.
I would also love for celebrities to endorse that lifestyle. Taylor Swift or Kate Middleton were 50% vintage clothes would certainly send a stronger message than some virtuous preaching.

kattaduck · 17/04/2025 13:52

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 16/04/2025 15:27

The idea that people on limited incomes shouldn’t be able to try on clothing and make sure they get the size and design that they want rather than be limited to what other people are getting rid of really annoys me.

I find the thought of poor people not being able to afford good quality clothing annoying too.
And unless you want the newest Brand sneaker or have the most eclectic taste everything you want can be bought second hand. It might take more effort for some items but just typing black shirt into vinted isn't that hard.

Hastentoadd · 17/04/2025 13:05

Badbadbunny · 17/04/2025 13:03

Why should we in the UK worry about fewer production jobs in China?

Do you just want to limit production in China and not world wide, it seems to be a world wide issue

Badbadbunny · 17/04/2025 13:03

Hastentoadd · 17/04/2025 12:58

We have to make changes. We have to produce less and we have to cut back on waste.

Nice sentiment but that’s all it is, less production means less jobs, more unemployment, more unemployment means more social problems and a bigger drain on the economy ……there can be a snowball effect to all of this

Anyway who is going to dictate to a company / companies to stop production

Why should we in the UK worry about fewer production jobs in China?

Hastentoadd · 17/04/2025 12:58

SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 12:21

I definitely are with this. The problem is seen you start to suggest ideas, anything omitted sounds like it's not important.

I don't know why things like sofas and beds should be shipped around the world. Surely it's easier to send materials (as locally as possible, not around the planet) and build locally.

We have to make changes. We have to produce less and we have to cut back on waste.

We have to make changes. We have to produce less and we have to cut back on waste.

Nice sentiment but that’s all it is, less production means less jobs, more unemployment, more unemployment means more social problems and a bigger drain on the economy ……there can be a snowball effect to all of this

Anyway who is going to dictate to a company / companies to stop production

user1471467504 · 17/04/2025 12:57

HalloweenGrinch · 13/04/2025 11:41

A solution would be for the company to have to carry the full life cycle costs of what they produce (and, by extension pass this onto cobsumers). Would encourage production of sustainable/repairable products and discourage cheap pointless rubbish.

No idea how this could be be made to happen with global trade and supply chains. Via taxes and tariffs I guess....

Meantime all we can do is our best, in an unthinking world.

Construction products already have to do this - not by law, but in order to win contracts.

SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 12:21

Badbadbunny · 17/04/2025 11:58

My point was that no one seems to care about the huge waste of plastic on wrapping "big" items, and obsess about carrier bags and straws.

When we had our G-Plan sofas delivered, they came in a cloth handling bags with handles etc - no cardboard, no plastic. Re-usable, the delivery guys took them away with them for future deliveries.

So there are options. Trouble is that plastic is cheap which is why it's used. Consumers should be willing to pay that bit extra for more sustainable delivery options or at least ask at the furniture store about packaging. But I'd imagine most consumers don't give it a second thought. They're happy with their virtue signalling obsessing about the small stuff.

Clothes never used to be individually wrapped between factory and shop. They were sent in bundles. Now virtually every item is unnecessarily singly packed in plastic bags. You seen the shop workers unpacking individual items before putting on racks/shelves, and those individually wrapped items are already packed in larger packed bundles or boxes. Completely unnecessary. Huge waste for no reason at all. The items would still be clean and neat if they just came in their bundles/boxes. It's not as if they were left unpackaged in the back of a lorry!

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I definitely are with this. The problem is seen you start to suggest ideas, anything omitted sounds like it's not important.

I don't know why things like sofas and beds should be shipped around the world. Surely it's easier to send materials (as locally as possible, not around the planet) and build locally.

We have to make changes. We have to produce less and we have to cut back on waste.

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Badbadbunny · 17/04/2025 11:58

Auburngal · 17/04/2025 11:09

The excess packaging on clothes when delivered to shops and sofas when delivered to home. How would you like it if these items were delivered with no packaging? You have no idea how dirty the transportation crates etc are or would you like your sofa to be delivered all bashed up?

My point was that no one seems to care about the huge waste of plastic on wrapping "big" items, and obsess about carrier bags and straws.

When we had our G-Plan sofas delivered, they came in a cloth handling bags with handles etc - no cardboard, no plastic. Re-usable, the delivery guys took them away with them for future deliveries.

So there are options. Trouble is that plastic is cheap which is why it's used. Consumers should be willing to pay that bit extra for more sustainable delivery options or at least ask at the furniture store about packaging. But I'd imagine most consumers don't give it a second thought. They're happy with their virtue signalling obsessing about the small stuff.

Clothes never used to be individually wrapped between factory and shop. They were sent in bundles. Now virtually every item is unnecessarily singly packed in plastic bags. You seen the shop workers unpacking individual items before putting on racks/shelves, and those individually wrapped items are already packed in larger packed bundles or boxes. Completely unnecessary. Huge waste for no reason at all. The items would still be clean and neat if they just came in their bundles/boxes. It's not as if they were left unpackaged in the back of a lorry!

SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 11:56

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/04/2025 11:46

Not too sure, tbh.

Some things yes, but I think are too far gone.
Then Again, just buy a bloody apple and don’t get a stupid plastic pot with a ready peeled grape or something.

I know. I do think there's a way forward that doesn't have to be so extreme. Of your four points, it would be sad to lose the second.

If we worked to better our consumer society, there's no reason that we can't still transport essentials around the globe (like food items).

But buying less, buying locally where possible and being less wasteful with food should be possible without sacrificing other things. If we can get the consumer society under control.

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Purplebunnie · 17/04/2025 11:53

Would people go back to soap bars and get rid of shower gel and liquid soap?

We have swapped to shampoo bars and I much prefer bars of soap for washing my hands and body. Definitely noticed less plastic in the recycling bin. Vast reduction in plastic if we can persuade manufacturers to change

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/04/2025 11:46

SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 11:35

Sounds like the way forward!

Not too sure, tbh.

Some things yes, but I think are too far gone.
Then Again, just buy a bloody apple and don’t get a stupid plastic pot with a ready peeled grape or something.

SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 11:35

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/04/2025 11:26

They didn’t buy that much.

They bought locally, seasonally.
no pots of chopped pineapple.

No ready made mash or porridge.

Families used to cook and preserve.

Sounds like the way forward!

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SnoozingFox · 17/04/2025 11:30

I would support the following:

Agree a total ban on plastic grass. Exemption for community football pitches etc.

Massive import taxes on Shein or Cider or any of the other shitty fashion companies, and tat-merchants like T*mu, and all the shite imported to fill seasonal aisles in stores. Like a 200% or more levy, ringfenced for environmental offsetting or to support local businesses. If your shitty £5 dress from Shein suddenly costs £15, you might think twice about how much you're buying.

Increased/doubling VAT for any other brands like H&M or Primark unless they change their business model to stop the churn of waste and constant new products.

Tax breaks as there are in France for repairing items rather than chucking away and buying new.

Total ban on posting social media content containing the word "haul" unless you are operating a trucking company.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/04/2025 11:26

SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 11:15

What on Earth did people do before plastic packaging?

How about using waxed (for waterproofing) fabric covers? How about having a supply chain that doesn’t ship my sofa across the globe?

If you only look for problems, you’ll never find the solutions.

They didn’t buy that much.

They bought locally, seasonally.
no pots of chopped pineapple.

No ready made mash or porridge.

Families used to cook and preserve.

Auburngal · 17/04/2025 11:17

SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 11:15

What on Earth did people do before plastic packaging?

How about using waxed (for waterproofing) fabric covers? How about having a supply chain that doesn’t ship my sofa across the globe?

If you only look for problems, you’ll never find the solutions.

It was more wooden crates?

SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 11:15

Auburngal · 17/04/2025 11:09

The excess packaging on clothes when delivered to shops and sofas when delivered to home. How would you like it if these items were delivered with no packaging? You have no idea how dirty the transportation crates etc are or would you like your sofa to be delivered all bashed up?

What on Earth did people do before plastic packaging?

How about using waxed (for waterproofing) fabric covers? How about having a supply chain that doesn’t ship my sofa across the globe?

If you only look for problems, you’ll never find the solutions.

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SummerDaytoNight · 17/04/2025 11:11

Plus plastic degrades. When I’ve found old plastic bags (I’ve done a couple of house clearances of relatives in the past couple of years) they just fall apart into bits.

I think cloth (or crochet style) bags are better than paper. There’s enough fabric on the planet to make them.

If I have my car, I can take my trolley to the car and put my shopping straight in the boot. No need for bags at all.

If walking or taking the bus, the good old-fashioned trolley bag works.

If we only look for problems, we’ll never find solutions. The planet needs solutions.

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