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Most shops are just landfill waiting to happen.

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SummerDaytoNight · 13/04/2025 10:47

I mean, all are to a point, but I’m talking about the non essential ones.

Our society is engineering its own collapse. We only need food, health, house basics and clothing. And I suppose, technology.

Fast fashion could go. Housing should just be the essentials.

My friend took me into a shop called sostrene grene. It was lovely, but nothing was essential. Most shops are like that.

The horse has bolted, but I wish we could limit the unnecessarily stuff and just have the basics. Im not talking Amish level, but there’s no need for all this waste. It would be so much better if only the essentials were produced.

At the point of production, it’s already basically landfill.

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Nevermindthebuzzard · 13/04/2025 18:50

Bluegreencat · 13/04/2025 18:31

Recyling/buying secondhand has finally become fashionable, which can only be a good thing. (I with they’d bring back jumble sales too). Not sure about all the hate for primark - I have clothing from there that’s lasted very well.
I’m on holiday at the moment and the latest thing seems to be shops totally devoted to the needs of dogs.

Why not arrange a jumble sale? Be the change you want to see.

Franjipanl8r · 13/04/2025 18:48

We’re all consumers and we can all do something about it - consume less.

quantumbutterfly · 13/04/2025 18:46

EdithBond · 13/04/2025 18:00

Glad they’re doing that. Hope they remember it as adults.

I agree, milk in plastic annoys the shit out of me. I have milk delivered in glass bottles, which obviously get reused rather than recycled. I never buy any foodstuffs in plastic bottles, only glass. Mainly because a relative used to work for ICI and warned me against it because of the chemicals. By also because glass and metal are biodegradable.

As for water in plastic bottles when it comes out of the tap 🤬

Not biodegradable. Recyclable (with an energy cost of course), and you may have noticed that cans are much flimsier now as manufacturers are trying to cut costs.

DramaDivaDi · 13/04/2025 18:46

Or instead of five pairs of imported jeans you could buy one British-made one.

greeenscreeen · 13/04/2025 18:45

jellyfishperiwinkle · 13/04/2025 17:55

I agree, but if you stop it all at once you will fuck the economy which will have a much quicker detrimental effect on you than climate change.

Shall I do an audit of your house to see what is essential in there and tax you for purchasing unessential fripperies? Or maybe your job isn't essential to the brave new green world either?

So just...keep on buying??

DramaDivaDi · 13/04/2025 18:45

Even when cheap clothes are made of natural fibres, they’re still made in sweatshops - that’s why they’re cheap. Basically they’re the clothing equivalent of battery chicken except it’s people who suffer instead of animals.

Purplebunnie · 13/04/2025 18:42

Sostren Grene has some lovely stuff. I wanted to order some bows for my bannister for Christmas like the beautiful ones DD had bought for her tree. Unfortunately the ones I liked couldn't be purchased online and the nearest store is quite a drive away. I don't know how they made them for the price the ones my DD bought were lovely.

I thought the name indicated a Nordic/Scandinavian country as the producer but they do tell you where each product is made and it's either China or India. So I will have to learn how to make the bows myself as I'm not being responsible for transporting stuff across the ocean. Shame I can't sew😂I'll have to do without

KateShugakIsALegend · 13/04/2025 18:39

I watch 'Sort your life out' and it blows my mind.

All this crap is making people poor AND sad.

Imagine if they added up the cost of all the items binned and money wasted, plus the carbon and nature impacts.

SnoozingFox · 13/04/2025 18:38

Bluegreencat · 13/04/2025 18:31

Recyling/buying secondhand has finally become fashionable, which can only be a good thing. (I with they’d bring back jumble sales too). Not sure about all the hate for primark - I have clothing from there that’s lasted very well.
I’m on holiday at the moment and the latest thing seems to be shops totally devoted to the needs of dogs.

I had a pair of green linen cropped summer "holiday" trousers from Primark which I wore for about a decade every holiday until they ripped beyond the point of repair. I also have a few of their cotton long sleeve t-shirts which are going strong after about 5 years. I also picked up very recently a 100% cotton short summer dress from Primark in a charity shop, the quality is pretty good and it cost me £2. I am not a slave to fashion though and I will probably keep it for several years at least.

But Primark, Zara, H&M and shitey Shein don't want you keeping things for years. Their entire business model is built around only making pennies profit per item so they need you coming back every couple of weeks to buy more and more and more. And because very few of us live in houses with endless wardrobe space, there comes a point when you can't store any more and so declutter, take 5 bags to the tip (because nobody wants second hand primark) and so the cycle starts again.

Bjorkdidit · 13/04/2025 18:38

FlourandFlowers · 13/04/2025 17:07

I absolutely agree.

But this is only feasible (as mentioned earlier in the thread) if you have the capital to buy the good, quality items in the first place.

Stuff that lasts doesn't have to be expensive. We have 30 YO Ikea bookcases that have survived a house move and I wish they would fall apart so I could justify replacing them with some that fit better in the house we're in.

Our crockery, which MIL bought us from Argos, is of similar vintage and cost very little. But it's still fine, so obviously I can't allow myself to replace it with one of the lovely designs I see in shops, because we don't need more stuff.

K8Davidson · 13/04/2025 18:37

Absolutely. Sites like Temu and Shein are a big problem.

I buy secondhand, and only when we absolutely need a particular item. Most of my furniture is antique, which is built to last. It’s a shame that modern furniture and clothes etc. aren’t built to last like they once were.

Big companies want us to keep spending, so items aren’t well made, so we keep replacing them when they break.

LillyPJ · 13/04/2025 18:37

@Pumpkinforever Re the house 'feels better', I totally agree. I try to think of decluttering as gaining space rather than getting rid of stuff. The idea of gaining something is much more appealing than losing something. It's also good to think that somebody might need or make good use of the things I don't want.

Jumpingthruhoops · 13/04/2025 18:32

TheGaaTheSkaAndTheRa · 13/04/2025 18:14

Have you ever been to a landfill. There is stillage after stillage full of perfectly good pink plastic tat. It's enough to make you weep.

Again, unless you've inspected every piece, you can't possibly know what's there...

Bluegreencat · 13/04/2025 18:31

Recyling/buying secondhand has finally become fashionable, which can only be a good thing. (I with they’d bring back jumble sales too). Not sure about all the hate for primark - I have clothing from there that’s lasted very well.
I’m on holiday at the moment and the latest thing seems to be shops totally devoted to the needs of dogs.

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 13/04/2025 18:28

@WithManyTot
"The film Wall-E becomes more and more of a "fly on the wall" documentary every day."

Yers. That, and 'The Idiocracy'. I wonder if a remake of Wall-E as a non animation film would be a good idea...

Jumpingthruhoops · 13/04/2025 18:28

jellyfishperiwinkle · 13/04/2025 18:16

I don't trust that more expensive brands are ethically produced. Polyester in Reiss, Whistles or Hobbs is still polyester, they just have a bigger mark up on it. Some is more environmentally friendly but most doesn't say either way, so I wouldn't assume it was better.

Exactly. And IMO is even more likely to end up on landfill as the higher price points will likely mean that not all of it sells. Now that IS wasteful.

KateShugakIsALegend · 13/04/2025 18:27

Londonwaiting · 13/04/2025 16:53

So, if most products are unnecessary, then an awful lot of jobs will go, and an awful lot of tax will go with it.

So you want a future with really high unemployment and a government with even less money for things like the NHS and social care?

I want a future with breathable air and pollinators that allow me to eat.

I want a world that is not 3'C hotter (which means 6'C in cities.)

I want a home that is not flooded.

I don't want wars over water and mass migration.

Economics and money are made up human ideas. We can change the rules.

quantumbutterfly · 13/04/2025 18:25

samarrange · 13/04/2025 16:47

Scientist here: The "hardness" of the metal has nothing to do with whether it leaches into the water being boiled in it. How much of the pan ends up dissolving in the water is a function of the reactivity of the metal. Gold is a soft metal and you could boil water for a year without a single atom reacting with anything in the pan, because gold hardly reacts with anything, and certainly not any substances that you would find in an average kitchen.

Aluminium is slightly more likely than stainless steel to react with acidic components in food to form aluminium ions, which some people believe are related to dementia and/or Alzheimer's. However, there is no very good evidence for this at present, and there are plenty of other candidates to explain those conditions. For example, I recently saw a suggestion that the chickenpox virus can reactivate in later life, causing dementia instead of shingles.

Aluminium in neurofibrillary tangles - cause or effect?

There was some evidence that aluminium was found in post mortem of those involved in the Camelford contamination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelford_water_pollution_incident

I limit my aluminium exposure. I also limit my exposure to pthalates & bisphenolA but still use non-stick cookware & greaseproof paper despite the issue of PFAS.

From what I've seen the Al connection to Alzheimers is still suspected, but as I said upthread I haven't kept up with that particular issue.

Camelford water pollution incident - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelford_water_pollution_incident

greeenscreeen · 13/04/2025 18:23

It's also disgustingly cheap (which should tell you all you need to know about the quality!) and buying to last is often out of price range. I know it often is for us as a family.

KateShugakIsALegend · 13/04/2025 18:21

Fizbosshoes · 13/04/2025 16:23

Genuine question - what was stuff like toiletries, bleach, cleaning products etc packaged in before plastic was the go-to packaging?

I do agree with the sentiment that there is way more "occassion" type stuff available (in all types of shop, not just the cheaper ones) I don't remember people decorating their homes at Halloween or Easter when I was a kid (80s/90s) - then there are all the bits and pieces for hen dos, baby showers, bride/bridesmaid dressing gowns, advent calendars with lego/smiggle/harry potter stuff, christmas jumpers, whole families - and pets having matching Xmas pjs etc. I saw a birthday hat for a dog the other day Confused
Of course they are all optional and people will insist they wear their Xmas pjs again and again, but do adults actually need a new pair every year. (I can't imagine a dog gets a lot of wear on enjoyment out of its halloween/christmas/birthday hat!!)

Metal tins for hand cream, metal tubes for toothpaste, glass bottles for bubble bath, bars of soap in cardboard boxes.

greeenscreeen · 13/04/2025 18:21

I absolutely HATE it. All the Easter crap absolutely everywhere. Ten years ago it wasn't even a thing. But I understand why parents feel obliged to get half of it. Keeping up with the Jones' and all that. Feeling their children will be the only ones without the massive haul of plastic shit. I refuse to participate, but it's easy when mine is only a toddler. I have no intention of bowing to peer pressure, but I should imagine it will become more difficult as my DC gets older, especially around Christmas.

DramaDivaDi · 13/04/2025 18:19

You’re right, @jellyfishperiwinkle, but you can do some research into brands. If something is B Corp, for example, it isn’t necessarily perfect but it has been through an arduous certification process. Natural fibres from a B Corp retailer are definitely a start.

jellyfishperiwinkle · 13/04/2025 18:16

DramaDivaDi · 13/04/2025 18:11

A high quality, sustainable, ethically-produced item of clothing on as new condition from Vinted sells for less than sweatshop made plastic from Primark or Shein - so why aren’t people buying them? Where does this insistence on the Right to Shite come from?

I don't trust that more expensive brands are ethically produced. Polyester in Reiss, Whistles or Hobbs is still polyester, they just have a bigger mark up on it. Some is more environmentally friendly but most doesn't say either way, so I wouldn't assume it was better.

TheGaaTheSkaAndTheRa · 13/04/2025 18:14

Jumpingthruhoops · 13/04/2025 18:09

You literally have NO evidence for that whatsoever. Buy OK.

Have you ever been to a landfill. There is stillage after stillage full of perfectly good pink plastic tat. It's enough to make you weep.

jellyfishperiwinkle · 13/04/2025 18:12

Most of my frivolous expenditure in the last month has been on plants and making a wildlife pond. Hope it helps the local insect population and also amphibians.