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to think grandparents do not have to ttoreat their step grandchildren exactly the same way as their blood grandchildren? Part 2

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betnet · 13/04/2025 10:31

Previous thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5308130-to-think-grandparents-do-not-have-to-treat-their-step-grandchildren-exactly-the-same-way-as-their-blood-grandchildren?page=40&reply=143511587

No one is advocating that people be cruel or unkind to step children.

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 23:14

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 22:58

I still disagree. However much you try to deny it, he is married to the OP’s DD, so the money he earns is family money and he is now family. A significant proportion of that family money is diverted to his other children, as it will also be when he dies. As a consequence, more of the OP’s money is required now to fill the void, because family money is going to the stepchildren.

By all means disagree 🤷🏻‍♀️

I have no idea, any more than you do, as to the finer details of their financial set up, or whether OP’s DD is spending more than she otherwise would. They may very well be living, for the most part, a lifestyle he can afford to contribute his 50% towards when it comes to their shared child (excluding horse riding and school of course), whilst also covering whatever costs are associated with his eldest children.

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 22:58

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 22:51

Sure, their father can’t contribute the same amount as he would if he only had the younger two children, but that does not mean the family wealth of the maternal family is being spent on anyone other than those they intend for it to benefit. It isn’t money being spent on the stepchildren.

Who knows? He may not have been able to afford to, or be willing to, contribute regardless.

I still disagree. However much you try to deny it, he is married to the OP’s DD, so the money he earns is family money and he is now family. A significant proportion of that family money is diverted to his other children, as it will also be when he dies. As a consequence, more of the OP’s money is required now to fill the void, because family money is going to the stepchildren.

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 22:52

YourWinter · 13/04/2025 22:11

If equality is the aim, are the mother of the six children, and her parents/aunts/uncles/siblings, and the father of her two younger children and his parents etc etc spending equally on all six?

Do the OP’s step-grandchildren see more or less of their biological grandparents? Presumably OP has met the son-in-law’s parents, are they too taking the view that OP should greatly increase her financial support for their grandchildren?

Clearly equality is not the aim. Nor is equity. The aim is to ensure that the grandchildren stay in their private school and the sil take more responsibility for his children’s problems, rather than expecting his mil to open her purse to help him solve them, which is fair enough. Meanwhile, he appears to deal with the schism between his old and new families by being a wet blanket who leaves all decisions about his children and their consequences to other people to deal with, even when he can see the harm that is doing them.

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 22:51

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 22:06

The fact is, the family is less well off because the dh has six children to support. It is quite frankly ridiculous to argue otherwise, especially when the OP is moaning so much about there being so many of them. I’m sure if it weren’t for the four inconvenient step-children, the OP wouldn’t actually need to be funding quite so much of her grandchildren’s lifestyles from her own money.

Sure, their father can’t contribute the same amount as he would if he only had the younger two children, but that does not mean the family wealth of the maternal family is being spent on anyone other than those they intend for it to benefit. It isn’t money being spent on the stepchildren.

Who knows? He may not have been able to afford to, or be willing to, contribute regardless.

YourWinter · 13/04/2025 22:11

If equality is the aim, are the mother of the six children, and her parents/aunts/uncles/siblings, and the father of her two younger children and his parents etc etc spending equally on all six?

Do the OP’s step-grandchildren see more or less of their biological grandparents? Presumably OP has met the son-in-law’s parents, are they too taking the view that OP should greatly increase her financial support for their grandchildren?

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 22:06

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 20:41

It’s not a case of ‘of course family wealth is diluted’ at all. Finances don’t have to be merged, and there are ways to protect family assets.

Op’s family wealth is not being diluted because it’s not being spent on her daughter’s stepchildren. For all we know her daughter keeps her finances completely separate to those of her husband as well, given that he has a financial responsibility she does not share.

I’m not sure how the SIL is a monster because he and his wife have agreed between them that she and her mother will cover the costs of private school. He’s treating his children equally in fact, by not paying for private school for any of them.

The fact is, the family is less well off because the dh has six children to support. It is quite frankly ridiculous to argue otherwise, especially when the OP is moaning so much about there being so many of them. I’m sure if it weren’t for the four inconvenient step-children, the OP wouldn’t actually need to be funding quite so much of her grandchildren’s lifestyles from her own money.

betnet · 13/04/2025 21:54

@YourWinter people are proposing the GC's elderly uncle should be told to buy all 6 gifts or nothing for any of them to make it fair. DD's friends should also be told to buy for the four step GC.

Or the other suggestion, instead of individual gifts, buy a box of biscuits for everyone to share! Just what every child and teen would want!

OP posts:
YourWinter · 13/04/2025 21:17

Now I wonder how careful the biological grandparents, great-aunts and uncles of the OP’s four step-grandkids’ other step-siblings, with whom they live, are to spend equally on their own two grandchildren, and their four step-grands, and hey, surely they should think of their daughter-in-law’s ex-husband’s two children with his second wife…

If my DD marries her boyfriend, and his son becomes my step-grandson, he will still get as much as he’s been getting from his own bio grandparents, my DGS will still get what he’s been getting from me (which isn’t much, I spend £30, not £300 or £3000).

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 20:43

betnet · 13/04/2025 19:37

The sanctimonious posts about Christmas in the shed for SC and giving the SC dust are funny though 😂

It seems to be causing a lot of problems for some posters! @InterIgnis

Edited

That it does.

The hyperbole is off the charts in this thread. Who knew there was no middle ground between Little Lord Fauntleroy and the Little Matchgirl?

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 20:41

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 19:38

No, the problem for some posters is nothing to do with the OP as grandparent maintaining a status quo not of her creation, it’s to do with the way the OP’s dd and sil have rubbed the inequalities in the step-children’s faces, and the way the OP defends that. And yes, of course the family wealth is diluted by a marriage to a man who already has four other children to support - either that makes the family less well off than it would otherwise be, or he’s a monster who won’t pay towards his own children.

It’s not a case of ‘of course family wealth is diluted’ at all. Finances don’t have to be merged, and there are ways to protect family assets.

Op’s family wealth is not being diluted because it’s not being spent on her daughter’s stepchildren. For all we know her daughter keeps her finances completely separate to those of her husband as well, given that he has a financial responsibility she does not share.

I’m not sure how the SIL is a monster because he and his wife have agreed between them that she and her mother will cover the costs of private school. He’s treating his children equally in fact, by not paying for private school for any of them.

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 19:38

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 19:31

Lol, OP’s hasn’t been diluted either, which is precisely the problem for some posters.

Yes, they are indeed the responsibility of their biological parents.

Edited

No, the problem for some posters is nothing to do with the OP as grandparent maintaining a status quo not of her creation, it’s to do with the way the OP’s dd and sil have rubbed the inequalities in the step-children’s faces, and the way the OP defends that. And yes, of course the family wealth is diluted by a marriage to a man who already has four other children to support - either that makes the family less well off than it would otherwise be, or he’s a monster who won’t pay towards his own children.

betnet · 13/04/2025 19:37

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 19:31

Lol, OP’s hasn’t been diluted either, which is precisely the problem for some posters.

Yes, they are indeed the responsibility of their biological parents.

Edited

The sanctimonious posts about Christmas in the shed for SC and giving the SC dust are funny though 😂

It seems to be causing a lot of problems for some posters! @InterIgnis

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 19:31

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 19:16

🤣There is self-evidently nothing whatsoever in this situation to feel jealous about. I’m not the person whose family wealth has been diluted by inconvenient clingons, as they appear to be viewed. Ooohh, there are just so many of them. How can anyone possibly be expected to include them in anything nice? They are their biological parents’ responsibility and nobody else’s, don’t you know?

Lol, OP’s hasn’t been diluted either, which is precisely the problem for some posters.

Yes, they are indeed the responsibility of their biological parents.

SleeplessInWherever · 13/04/2025 19:17

Very against gift buying for SC.

Poor plebeian children, those of us suggesting someone buys them a small gift should be ashamed of ourselves. They deserve dust, and to spend their Christmas in the shed.

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 19:16

betnet · 13/04/2025 18:37

Riding lessons and private education equal greed?

You sound jealous.

🤣There is self-evidently nothing whatsoever in this situation to feel jealous about. I’m not the person whose family wealth has been diluted by inconvenient clingons, as they appear to be viewed. Ooohh, there are just so many of them. How can anyone possibly be expected to include them in anything nice? They are their biological parents’ responsibility and nobody else’s, don’t you know?

betnet · 13/04/2025 19:14

SleeplessInWherever · 13/04/2025 19:00

You’re obsessed.

Yes. All children should have gifts, unless you’re the Grinch. If for some reason your family don’t want to do that, please do the right thing and hand them out separately.

People are obsessed thinking every relation on both sides of the family must buy every child a gift. It is their choice.

OP posts:
InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 19:04

SpainToday · 13/04/2025 19:00

Indeed - so why on earth should they be paid for?

I believe I’m agreeing with you.

SleeplessInWherever · 13/04/2025 19:00

betnet · 13/04/2025 18:56

Telling elderly uncles to buy more stuff for all 6 kids!

You’re obsessed.

Yes. All children should have gifts, unless you’re the Grinch. If for some reason your family don’t want to do that, please do the right thing and hand them out separately.

SpainToday · 13/04/2025 19:00

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 18:49

Who fall under the category of ‘anyone else’s children’.

Indeed - so why on earth should they be paid for?

betnet · 13/04/2025 18:56

SleeplessInWherever · 13/04/2025 18:54

Agreed.

It’s worse then “have” and “have not.” Here it seems to be “have,” and “get off our stuff!”

Telling elderly uncles to buy more stuff for all 6 kids!

OP posts:
SleeplessInWherever · 13/04/2025 18:54

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 18:29

Since we are talking here about riding lessons and private education, not charity shops and foodbanks, this is all about greed, not need at the end of the day. Of course, from the OP’s perspective, the greed would come from the stepchildren wanting a share in any of it, not from their father’s new family not being very welcoming because they do not wish their wealth to be diluted.

Agreed.

It’s worse then “have” and “have not.” Here it seems to be “have,” and “get off our stuff!”

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 18:49

SpainToday · 13/04/2025 18:43

Like her step children????!

Who fall under the category of ‘anyone else’s children’.

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 18:48

Walkaround · 13/04/2025 18:29

Since we are talking here about riding lessons and private education, not charity shops and foodbanks, this is all about greed, not need at the end of the day. Of course, from the OP’s perspective, the greed would come from the stepchildren wanting a share in any of it, not from their father’s new family not being very welcoming because they do not wish their wealth to be diluted.

Believing that you are owed a share of something that isn’t yours, that you have no claim to as either their dependent or debtor, is at the very least entitled behaviour, and likely a
mindset that will result in those that have it being quite disappointed and dissatisfied with life.

It doesn’t need to be ‘about need’, given there’s more to quality of life than merely the bare necessities (unless you’re a fan of Stoicism, I suppose).

Bigcat25 · 13/04/2025 18:45

JandamiHash · 13/04/2025 17:04

My nephew shouldn’t get presents from his granny on Christmas Day because his dad is a selfish arsehole?

TBH I don’t expect brilliant parenting from people who introduce their kids to New Daddy after 5 minutes of knowing him but anyone with half a brain could explain that this is X’s grandma and they get lots of presents from them because that’s they’re grandma, and you don’t because she doesn’t know you. I don’t get this new wave of “the children must never experience an adverse event, ever.” It’s part of life, and probably the reason why we have so many wet blanket young adults these days

But these aren't step kids. You said yourself the family might meet them only once. Not a great comparison, imo.

SpainToday · 13/04/2025 18:43

InterIgnis · 13/04/2025 18:39

Why would it extend to anyone else’s children?

Like her step children????!

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