To think working from home is a cushy number?

So why do women need make-up to be "neat, tidy and well groomed"?

It sounds a very old fashioned workplace

I work very hard when working from home (harder than I do in the office). The cushy part for me is not needing to commute.

Do you think it's customary for men to wear make-up? Obviously not but I expect them to be neat, tidy and well groomed. In my workplace that means wearing a shirt rather than a tee shirt.

I can be taken as a professional wearing no make up with a hoody because my workplace cares about the work and people not how they look on teams calls.

But your DH does not have back to back meetings and seemingly zero work to do in between meetings. You really think that is normal?

Do you think men are unprofessional for not wearing make-up?

Our policy is camera on at all times. Also, I want at all times to be taken seriously as a professional and that doesn't stack with wearing a hoody, no make-up or being a state.

Of course it is! That’s why people like it and it’s continued after Covid. So much better for work-life balance. DH sees SO much more of his children. The house is so much cleaner as DH does jobs while he’s on calls. I don’t WFH so I don’t. Basic!

If I’m not on a call with a client then no one cares what I look like. 50% calls are video off and the rest as long as they are staff only there is no dress code, so most people wear hoodies or T-shirts with no make up and hair a state.

Yes I agree with you OP. I do 2 days wfh a week and I get a lot of my personal admin and housework done on those days. My manager is very happy with my productivity and performance. I can even do overtime on the weekends sitting in bed with my pajamas on.

But this only happened because of COVID. Before then we were always told we would never be able to wfh due to security (I work in banking). So I always kicked myself for not choosing a different career when I saw my friends in IT able to wfh. However now I’m one of them and I love it.

The only downside is that I’m put off from applying for any other jobs because I don’t want to risk the flexibility I’ve got. There are opportunities I would have gone for if I was still in the office 5 days a week.

Yeah, definitely. Those saying they work very hard are missing the point, I think - I work very hard from home too, but I also worked very hard from the office, except now I have the benefit of no commute, no office noise, my own environment, can stick the dishwasher on while I'm making a brew, etc.

I think pretending WFH isn't great is stupid and makes people who can't hate it even more. WFH is great (for some people: doesn't suit everyone) and we should be encouraging more employers to offer it as a benefit, so that working conditions improve for everyone who wants it. Not pretending it's a real drag so employers can continue trying to haul everyone back into the office unnecessarily.

It depends on the job, I’m an actuary and I’m also now training newly qualified staff, so at the moment the first two hours of everyday is taken up training new staff to use our package, this involves a demo, remoting in when someone has gone wrong, verbally testing knowledge etc. The rest of the time I’m completely my normal everyday work. I get an hour for lunch, however I’m allowed to work through this and finish early, I also do this on my office days. No hoovering, laundry, walks, cooking etc during my working hours.

W what most days and yes, it is cushy, but I get all my work done. As I don't have anyone to talk to, if I finish I think of other things to do. Yes, I take the fog gor a walk between meetings but I'm not commuting, going to the canteen, charting to anyone or being distracted all the time by colleagues. People who moan about wfh should be moaning at managers. If they are not setting targets and checking in on their staff to make sure they achieve them, then they're not managing correctly. They are the same ones who will allow people to sit around doing nothing all day then start working at 4.30pm so it looks like they work really hard

Edited as I completely misread. 🫣

I wear make-up in days where I have zoom meetings. Also try to wear a nice top.
Sometimes I have meetings where we don't have cameras on, for example, because of need to screen share. I'll hastily slap on a minimum of make-up in case of being caught unawares.

How do.people wfh manage not to be dressed for work and work ready. I have teams calls every single day and whilst I might wear leggings, the top half of me has to be work ready and presentable.

Personally I prefer going into the office. A lot is picked up by nuance and a quick conversation and I like the divide between home and work. I have never accepted a job in 40 years that has meant a commute of more than 45 minutes.

I have had peripatetic jobs prior to lockdown.
I WFH when I am not needed on site, I still have deadlines to meet, if I don’t deliver my boss would pull me up.
Whether I put a load of washing on during the day is immaterial - I still have a job to do.
WFH just reduced the stress I’d have commuting and trying to hit deadlines.
I don't abuse it, I never have, and my boss is fantastic.

Said as someone who has either never worked in an office before, or someone everyone hates working with!

You have done a few webinars. You are hardly an expert in working from home. It's a bit like someone saying they know how to cook when they have just made toast

Except in the examples people in RL give me, they are explaining WFH is great because people aren’t ’interrupting them’ talking about work.

If people in the office are interrupting you when you are busy with social chit chat, it’s easy to just say ‘sorry I am busy just now’. It really is that easy. If someone needs to hide at home to deal with that situation, they could do with building their assertiveness to normal levels.

I have WFH for more than a decade, some of those self employed.

Lots of People in an office setting get away with constant, inane chat and coffee breaks.

You either have a work ethic or your so not. Your work location has little to do with it.

I work my commute. I really enjoy the flexibility hybrid WFH/office allows.

It depends on the person's situation and preferences. I work in the centre, it's closer to the gym, post office, shops etc. I can have a nice walk at lunch to pick up things I need. From home I would have to drive and the drive would take longer than a walk from my office. If someone has a busy household with shift workers or unemployed/students etc working at home can be very stressful. For people who live alone working at home can be very lonely. People new to a role will likely find work easier and be more efficient in an office with colleagues.

I work at home, do way more than my hours but work them flexibly so I may walk the dog after dropping the kids, do the washing, I'm here to make the kids a sandwich when the kids are home. It suits my family's stage of life but you do need to be quite motivated. I've managed out a couple of people who weren't producing the goods at home. Once kids are in secondary I'd quite like a couple of days in an office.

I love not having a commute - it’s lovelythat I can do something productive in my lunch hour, whether that’s do a washing or nip to Tesco.

I work every bit as hard if not more than I ever did, as I have a strong work ethic