Poor Prison officers having to deal with this today.

Exactly @MissAmbrosia would be grateful if you could educate us by advising why you feel talking about this incident is racist?

So they can use it to harm another police officer?

@Walkden

Exactly, all these services are being slowly eroded to the extent they can’t function.

"This prison needs its management sacked, They are the ones responsible, their job is to manage violent offenders, not give them knives and cooking oil"

Trouble is like most public services "efficiency savings" means they are run on a shoe string these days, often with overworked and inexperienced staff. You see this happening all the time.

Prison service lack of officers ,stab vests etc, inadequate supervision.

Probation service people released who shouldn't be

Social services - families / children being harmed.

Then eventually they'll be a review looking at the situation in depth taking all the time in the world to do so listing the mistakes made and adding even more procedures to follow

He’s not going to be popular with the other nasty bastards when they take their privileges away and go all Hannibal Lecter with their security.
Prison officers need to be paid more. A very good example of a job that’s treated as low skilled so is low paid but the reality of the job makes it so unpalatable we are having to recruit from abroad with all the problems that brings.

Give over, 3 staff hospitalised and at least one with life threatening injuries. Of course it's noteworthy.

There's nothing racist about this at all and it would be reported in exactly the same way if it was a notorious white prisoner

Well, generally prisoners are nasty bastards or they wouldn't be in prison. Yes, there are those at the tail end of the bell-curve who are innocent, or have stolen a loaf of bread to feed their family (looking at you, 24601!).
Not difficult to understand.
And it's easy to make weapons in prison. Watch a couple of documentaries and your eyes will be opened. Sugar and boiling water made using their cell kettles is particularly effective.

Agree. They don’t happen to this degree and with this extent of damage “all the time” our prisons simply wouldn’t be staffed if they did - they don’t have an abundance of staff as it is. Nevermind if attacks like these were as common place as the poster suggest - it would be a logistical nightmare filling that rota.

I think it made the news as it’s his second attack, he seriously harmed 3 prison officers and he’s already high profile due to his brother attacking a venue filled with teenagers. You are making this about colour when it’s not.

Some people you can’t rehabilitate. I don’t say this lightly but lethal injection/hanging is the only option.

Agreed. Sounds utterly dire.

The issue with just a bed and a toilet is that it leads to unrest - which makes things even worse. People need a certain amount of enrichment to stay sane. Sane prisoners are obviously easier to managed than caged up ones. The problem is where you give allowances you create an opportunity for those ready to abuse it.

My thoughts are with those officers.

‘Dog-whistle racist’ is such an over-used term on here, usually by posters who think they’re clever and better than everyone else. People are allowed to express an opinion.

When i was in prison 30 odd years ago, it was almost entirely ex military personell running the place. They were firm, but fair on the whole, but had a wealth of life experience. Knowing how to diffuse a situation with words, is worth more than all the battons, and control and restraint techniques.

@MissAmbrosia the use of the word racist is incredibly ironic, considering his crime

Their family is just as bad and they should’ve been deported:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/02/how-family-libya-conflict-radicalised-manchester-arena-bomber

Why on earth are very high risk prisoners given their own cooking facilities? That surely fails the most basic risk assessment. The prison management are also at fault here - this was a predictable incident given his record - which should be increased to a whole life tariff - sentences for violent and sexual crimes are far too short.

He already is and worse

Put him down I say. Death penalty should come back for people like him. He will never be reformed therefore we are just paying a huge bill for his pleasure - country is in deficit:

What is the cost of keeping a prisoner in the UK? The average annual cost of keeping one person in prison in the UK stands at approximately £44,640 per year (2023/24 figures), which translates to roughly £855 per week or £122 per day.19 Sept 2024

I’d happily pay for him to be sent to CECOT in El Salvador. Death is too light a sentence.

If they are given just the basics they won’t need too many staff to move them anywhere.

Good point.
So then no kettles or cooking equipment of any kind in cells for personal use either.

I agree with the chair of the Prison Officers Association. Inmates in the separation facility should be given only their very basic entitlements

Let’s also be aware With only 10 prisoners in this facility it sounds extremely expensive to run.

Apparently no one wants the jobs here. The UK Govn are looking for people from abroad

This prison needs its management sacked, They are the ones responsible, their job is to manage violent offenders, not give them knives and cooking oil

He should hang slowly. Disgusting piece of shit