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To ask how much I've fucked up? HMRC

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ohshit89 · 11/04/2025 19:29

Self employed, done something a bit stupid.

Basically I admit that for the past 5 years of being self employed I have really no idea how much I've potentially earnt that year until my accountant sends me draft self assessments after 5th April. There are things I could do to keep better on top of this obviously but it's really never mattered that much because profits have never been massive. Because of the structure of the business currently, any profit counts as my own income for SA purposes so even though I only "pay" myself a modest amount every month, my earnings are whatever profit the business has made.

Basically business has boomed this past year, which I am not complaining about but our accountant has done my SA and I have earnt in the last tax year over 100k (and I'm talking about a jump from under 30k last year to over £130k). I really was not expecting it, I was obviously aware business had taken off but really I did not expect that. I do not "pay" myself anywhere near that sort of money per month and while the business does have a good float I certainly couldn't have extracted that all from the business for personal use.

Onto the issue...for the last tax year I have claimed free nursery hours for my son and tax free childcare. I am aware I will need to pay it back and I of course have no problems in doing so but I have obviously (unintentionally) been telling HMRC that I earn under 100k for a whole year when I have infact earnt over.

Will there be an issue? A penalty? I know i really should have an idea myself of profits and this has really shocked me into making sure I keep a better track of it but when I selected that I earnt under 100k I genuinely believed that I did.

Do I call them or will they contact me when my SA is submitted?

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AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 11/04/2025 21:33

HappyHolidai · 11/04/2025 21:05

Being a limited company when totally clueless and taking no responsibility is... not a recipe for success.

A person can’t be a limited company.

They can start and own a limited company.

EmeraldRoulette · 11/04/2025 21:25

you'll pay what you owe on the next due date, dunno about how child benefit works

I do want to know how you've grown the business and become so successful so quickly. I mean seriously. I could learn a lot from you.

HisNibs · 11/04/2025 21:16

@Didimum Since the op said "Because of the structure of the business currently, any profit counts as my own income for SA purposes", it sounds like they're setup as a sole trader, not a ltd company.

B1indEye · 11/04/2025 21:15

Didimum · 11/04/2025 21:13

You’re fine with HMRC because you haven’t paid yourself that wage. Since you have a business account, I’m assuming your business is set up as a limited company? In which case it’s a separate entity to you as an individual. It’s you who is claiming the tax free, not your business.

Anyone can open a business bank account, it doesn't mean she's a limited company, from what she's said I'd bet she's a sole trader

Didimum · 11/04/2025 21:13

You’re fine with HMRC because you haven’t paid yourself that wage. Since you have a business account, I’m assuming your business is set up as a limited company? In which case it’s a separate entity to you as an individual. It’s you who is claiming the tax free, not your business.

Bogginsthe3rd · 11/04/2025 21:12

I think the figures could be made to add up OP? Good luck in the new business

To ask how much I've fucked up? HMRC
GoldfinchesInTheTree · 11/04/2025 21:10

I really do need a better income. I'd love not to notice 70k... and happy to change jobs!

Anonym00se · 11/04/2025 21:09

Has OP mentioned her line of work? There may be no VAT involved at all. I’d imagine her accountant would have mentioned it if she were liable for VAT.

HisNibs · 11/04/2025 21:09

ScrewedByFunding · 11/04/2025 20:50

Pronto?? It will be due by 31st January 2026 like everyone else.

VAT returns are quarterly. I'm not talking about self-assessment returns.

ilovesooty · 11/04/2025 21:08

GoldfinchesInTheTree · 11/04/2025 20:47

Please tell me what business you are in. And how do you not notice an extra 70k??

I'm puzzled by that as well.

Franjipanl8r · 11/04/2025 21:07

You made over £130k profit after subtracting the investments you made and after your expenses etc?

MuchasSmoochas · 11/04/2025 21:07

Don’t panic OP, your income is what you have taken out, not what has been put in. Yes speak to your accountant and well done on building your business.

HappyHolidai · 11/04/2025 21:05

Househunters1 · 11/04/2025 19:39

Oh my god OP stop panicking. Get a better accountant. You can offset money to get below the threshold, there’s better allowances for the timeline for this for self employed, sacrifice income to change your net adjusted. Or change the business structure. It’s absolutely fine. Just get a better advisor to help fix this.

Why aren’t you a Ltd company?

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Being a limited company when totally clueless and taking no responsibility is... not a recipe for success.

Eelqueen · 11/04/2025 21:03

BethDutton4President · 11/04/2025 20:53

Fucks sake, what a vile thing to say

Oh chill out!

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Fucks sake, what a vile thing to say

ACynicalDad · 11/04/2025 20:53

Lots of ways to offset, pay into a pension if you don't already, a good accountant can help you thought it.

ScrewedByFunding · 11/04/2025 20:50

HisNibs · 11/04/2025 20:34

Tbh your bigger problem is that you're not registered for VAT (threshold is £90K) and HMRC are going to want their 20% (of everything) pronto. I'm guessing that you just give your accountant a pile of stuff once a year and let them sort it out. That won't do when you've more than quadrupled your turnover. If they've not mentioned VAT, bin them. Get it sorted quick because the fines will quickly add up. From HMRC...
"The penalties for failing to register for VAT on time depend on the degree of lateness in registering: Not more than 9 months late: The penalty is 5% of the due VAT. More than 9 months but not more than 18 months late: The penalty is 10% of the due VAT. More than 18 months late: The penalty is 15% of the due VAT"

Pronto?? It will be due by 31st January 2026 like everyone else.

GoldfinchesInTheTree · 11/04/2025 20:47

Please tell me what business you are in. And how do you not notice an extra 70k??

ScrewedByFunding · 11/04/2025 20:46

Eelqueen · 11/04/2025 19:31

Go on your journal and message the above

What journal? She's not claiming UC? I don't know of any other journal.

Amba1998 · 11/04/2025 20:44

ohshit89 · 11/04/2025 19:38

Funds are paid into the business account from customers and I pay myself a small wage out of that. I have invested quite a bit this year in various things (business related).

So then these are deducted as expenses before calculating profit. Is it a limited company or are you a sole trader?

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Hayley1256 · 11/04/2025 20:41

You need to discuss this with your account

HisNibs · 11/04/2025 20:34

Tbh your bigger problem is that you're not registered for VAT (threshold is £90K) and HMRC are going to want their 20% (of everything) pronto. I'm guessing that you just give your accountant a pile of stuff once a year and let them sort it out. That won't do when you've more than quadrupled your turnover. If they've not mentioned VAT, bin them. Get it sorted quick because the fines will quickly add up. From HMRC...
"The penalties for failing to register for VAT on time depend on the degree of lateness in registering: Not more than 9 months late: The penalty is 5% of the due VAT. More than 9 months but not more than 18 months late: The penalty is 10% of the due VAT. More than 18 months late: The penalty is 15% of the due VAT"

B1indEye · 11/04/2025 20:05

ohshit89 · 11/04/2025 19:38

Funds are paid into the business account from customers and I pay myself a small wage out of that. I have invested quite a bit this year in various things (business related).

Dont you know the log on details for the bank account? You're coming off as clueless. Surely you have to tell the customers how much to pay you, what kind of business doesnt send out bills?

IHeartHalloumi · 11/04/2025 19:40

Tax free child care is based on net income - I imagine that after business costs and any pension you have you'll be under £100K. Don't know about other aspects. But this is precisely what you pay the accountant for!