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ohshit89 · 11/04/2025 19:29

Self employed, done something a bit stupid.

Basically I admit that for the past 5 years of being self employed I have really no idea how much I've potentially earnt that year until my accountant sends me draft self assessments after 5th April. There are things I could do to keep better on top of this obviously but it's really never mattered that much because profits have never been massive. Because of the structure of the business currently, any profit counts as my own income for SA purposes so even though I only "pay" myself a modest amount every month, my earnings are whatever profit the business has made.

Basically business has boomed this past year, which I am not complaining about but our accountant has done my SA and I have earnt in the last tax year over 100k (and I'm talking about a jump from under 30k last year to over £130k). I really was not expecting it, I was obviously aware business had taken off but really I did not expect that. I do not "pay" myself anywhere near that sort of money per month and while the business does have a good float I certainly couldn't have extracted that all from the business for personal use.

Onto the issue...for the last tax year I have claimed free nursery hours for my son and tax free childcare. I am aware I will need to pay it back and I of course have no problems in doing so but I have obviously (unintentionally) been telling HMRC that I earn under 100k for a whole year when I have infact earnt over.

Will there be an issue? A penalty? I know i really should have an idea myself of profits and this has really shocked me into making sure I keep a better track of it but when I selected that I earnt under 100k I genuinely believed that I did.

Do I call them or will they contact me when my SA is submitted?

OP posts:
YourAzureEagle · 11/04/2025 22:42

OP, as a sole trader I urge you to keep on top of your accounting!, do not rely on accountants, it is quite easy to do most (if not all of it) yourself, especially with modern tools like accounting software.

You should always have a good idea of where you are in terms of gross & nett income, allowable expenses etc. This will stop the unexpected. Many self employed people like myself elect to cut off work in order not to tip into VAT territory, I tend to be off in Feb/March to avoid going over the limit.

Accounting for self assessment is actually pretty easy, I prepare all my own accounts for my accountant to check and then submit my return, knowledge of what's going in and out is key.

Look at your expenses in the year and make sure you are deducting everything you can, accountants can only work with what they are given, that means keeping every receipt for allowable expenditure.

Mrsmouse71 · 11/04/2025 22:41

Househunters1 · 11/04/2025 19:39

Oh my god OP stop panicking. Get a better accountant. You can offset money to get below the threshold, there’s better allowances for the timeline for this for self employed, sacrifice income to change your net adjusted. Or change the business structure. It’s absolutely fine. Just get a better advisor to help fix this.

Why aren’t you a Ltd company?

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topcat2014 · 11/04/2025 22:40

Everyone blaming the accountant.... if the OP just hands over records once a year, accountants are not psychic and will assume current year is like previous unless told otherwise

Chariots77 · 11/04/2025 22:38

Not much advice here other than to echo suggesting a better accountant. But congrats on doing so well with your business, amazing growth! 💪

Whippetlovely · 11/04/2025 22:36

ScrewedByFunding · 11/04/2025 22:31

You're talking about child benefit not tax free childcare. Not the same thing.

You are quite correct, apologies yes he had to pay the child benefit back. Not sure about tax free childcare he didn't earn over 100k. A previous poster has said ticking the box is a guess at what you are expecting to earn so hopefully it will be fine based on she didn't earn that previously.

NeedToChangeName · 11/04/2025 22:34

Best to contact hmrc to eg register for VAT before they contact you

BMW6 · 11/04/2025 22:33

OP is your company Limited (and you are a Director) or are you a sole trader?

If the latter then your drawings are irrelevant. You are taxed on the profit not drawings.

ScrewedByFunding · 11/04/2025 22:31

Whippetlovely · 11/04/2025 22:26

You will have to pay the tax free childcare back. Happened to my partner. I think now it's if you go over 80k you pay it all back, over 60 you pay some of it back until you earn over 80 and then you have to pay the whole lot back. He had to pay the whole lot back it was a few years ago and the threshold was 50k. Didn't even consider this as I earn hardly anything but it's based on a sole income not joint. Lesson learned. Like people have said put money in a pension, buy a van, keep a better eye on finances and expenses. Your accountant should suggest vat registration if your earnings have increased this much.

You're talking about child benefit not tax free childcare. Not the same thing.

Deafnotdumb · 11/04/2025 22:28

OK, first don't panic.

If you've been making investments in the business, there's a good chance you will have less taxable profit than you think which will take care of the child are issue. You may also be to claim various allowances or exemptions, depending on what you do.

The two key things are:

  • you are over the VAT rate on turnover (90k).
  • you are over the limit for higher rate tax.

Since this is unexpected, you will probably have the reserves to cover the bill (and there are ways to negotiate repayments in arrears, if necessary). Moving forward, consider switching to a limited company and stay on top of your forecasting & cash flow with monthly reporting.

Whippetlovely · 11/04/2025 22:26

You will have to pay the tax free childcare back. Happened to my partner. I think now it's if you go over 80k you pay it all back, over 60 you pay some of it back until you earn over 80 and then you have to pay the whole lot back. He had to pay the whole lot back it was a few years ago and the threshold was 50k. Didn't even consider this as I earn hardly anything but it's based on a sole income not joint. Lesson learned. Like people have said put money in a pension, buy a van, keep a better eye on finances and expenses. Your accountant should suggest vat registration if your earnings have increased this much.

B1indEye · 11/04/2025 22:21

TiredCatLady · 11/04/2025 22:18

  1. HMRC won’t give a shit you’ve earned over the threshold as long as you talk to them and pay whatever you owe.
  2. You need a new accountant.
  3. For goodness sake keep a closer handle on your business. Chances are that by muddling through you’re missing opportunities to be more efficient/make more money and sooner or later will come a cropper with HMRC or companies house by missing something.

To be fair to the accountant we have no idea what the OP is telling them, unless they can see the bank account they may have no idea how much profit shes making

TiredCatLady · 11/04/2025 22:18
  1. HMRC won’t give a shit you’ve earned over the threshold as long as you talk to them and pay whatever you owe.
  2. You need a new accountant.
  3. For goodness sake keep a closer handle on your business. Chances are that by muddling through you’re missing opportunities to be more efficient/make more money and sooner or later will come a cropper with HMRC or companies house by missing something.
ohnowwhatcanitbe · 11/04/2025 22:14

justasking111 · 11/04/2025 21:45

Not if he hasn't seen her books for 24/25 yet. We're only six days into the new tax year.

@ohshit89 get the accountant to sort out the VAT registration and payment for you as a matter of urgency. Then ring fence income monthly for this and your income tax.

Good luck.

The OP says that draft figures have already been prepared.

ohnowwhatcanitbe · 11/04/2025 22:11

Your accountant has prepared a draft self-assessment return just one week after the tax year-end?

Blimey, that's a world first.

Homer28 · 11/04/2025 22:09

I’m a tax accountant and the tax free childcare thing is a non-issue. You mark the box for the next quarter based on what you ‘expect to earn’.

When your self employed profits are so exposed like this you should do a draft SE accounts/tax return start of March every year so you can make pension contributions/buy anything the business might need to control your profitability for a particular tax year to prevent these cliff edges like others have said.

The accounts and tax return can be easily finalised the next month and you have good foresight of the following January’s tax bill.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 11/04/2025 22:07

HappyHolidai · 11/04/2025 21:39

Really? You think that informal language means that posters don't know the basics?

Impossible to tell.

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 11/04/2025 22:07

nightmarepickle2025 · 11/04/2025 21:49

Anything you’ve bought for the business comes off your profits and is not taxable. Which your accountant should know. Or they are not an accountant!

The use of “profits” in the OP suggests costs have been deducted.

SillyNavySnail · 11/04/2025 21:56

Get a better accountant. Put £30k minimum into your pension, then you're under the £100k you've told the childcare account about. Though, you might as well send over £48k, so once relief is added you max out 60k contributions, to lower tax.

Set up another bank account, transfer money across each month ear marked for the tax bill.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 11/04/2025 21:56

Franjipanl8r · 11/04/2025 21:07

You made over £130k profit after subtracting the investments you made and after your expenses etc?

Not sure the investments can just be subtracted.

nightmarepickle2025 · 11/04/2025 21:49

Anything you’ve bought for the business comes off your profits and is not taxable. Which your accountant should know. Or they are not an accountant!

justasking111 · 11/04/2025 21:45

Doolallies · 11/04/2025 21:37

Sounds like a shite accountant

Not if he hasn't seen her books for 24/25 yet. We're only six days into the new tax year.

@ohshit89 get the accountant to sort out the VAT registration and payment for you as a matter of urgency. Then ring fence income monthly for this and your income tax.

Good luck.

HappyHolidai · 11/04/2025 21:39

AmIHumanOrAmIAYeti · 11/04/2025 21:33

A person can’t be a limited company.

They can start and own a limited company.

Really? You think that informal language means that posters don't know the basics?

Doolallies · 11/04/2025 21:37

Sounds like a shite accountant

woolflower · 11/04/2025 21:36

You need a decent accountant to make sure you’re deducting all the expenses you are entitled to. You also need to register for VAT and pay any VAT you owe.

Once you’ve deducted the expenses and VAT, there’s a strong chance you’ll be under the £100k.

You should also consider becoming a Ltd company, it’ll be easier to shield yourself against any tax cliff edges.

ATuinTheGreat · 11/04/2025 21:36

Get ready for a huge tax bill next January, as you will no doubt need to pay a payment on account as you owe a lot more tax than you have paid in previous years. You will probably need to pay 150% of the tax you owe in Jan 26 and then another 50% in July 2026.