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To think it’s fair to judge people on their appearance in certain situations?

232 replies

ThisQuickLemonPoster · 11/04/2025 19:20

If someone shows up to a job interview in a stained hoodie or if a teacher is overweight and unkempt, it does affect how seriously I take them. AIBU to think “don’t judge a book by its cover” only goes so far?

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Maxifly · 12/04/2025 13:57

Well maybe I'm shallow but at my husband's recent funeral I was so happy to see all the family and friends had made a big effort to dress very smartly, and I hadn't said a word about a dress code. Except for 1 man who was very scruffy, but he dressed like that for his sons wedding! I think I would judge in an interview situation, it doesn't take much effort to look professional and smart.

StrangerThings1 · 12/04/2025 13:53

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 12/04/2025 13:50

Unless you are required to be a certain weight for your job, and I'm thinking along the lines of racing drivers etc there, your weight has no bearing on your ability to carry out a role like teaching, any office based job, computer work etc. You use your mind for that, and assuming someone overweight also doesn't care about their performance is wildly disrespectful and discriminatory.

I think you are delusional if you think employers don’t judge very overweight people

If to equally qualified candidates were in the running to get a job, one normal weight / thin and the other one very overweight, I can guarantee you that the job would be given to the normal weight / thin candidate

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 12/04/2025 13:50

StrangerThings1 · 12/04/2025 13:42

Unhealthy overweight looking could mean they have health issues ( mental or physical) that could impinge on their performance, it could indicate a general lack of self care and that ‘I don’t care’ attitude could also seep into their attitude towards their work

I heard an employer of a very large company in London say in front of an entire audience ( 200+ people) that he doesn’t employ overweight people when he was asked what type of people does he hire…..granted this was 20 years ago and he probably wouldn’t voice his opinion on such matters so publicly now but the thinking would still be the same

Unless you are required to be a certain weight for your job, and I'm thinking along the lines of racing drivers etc there, your weight has no bearing on your ability to carry out a role like teaching, any office based job, computer work etc. You use your mind for that, and assuming someone overweight also doesn't care about their performance is wildly disrespectful and discriminatory.

PinkArt · 12/04/2025 13:48

Redburnett · 12/04/2025 09:42

But weight does impact people's ability to do some jobs. I was in local swimming pool last night and a grossly obese women walked (well waddled) from the changing rooms to the pool. She could barely move her feet one in front of the other very slowly, it required a sort of lurch to shift her body weight with each step. That would make her unsuited to working in a classroom. Why are people so deluded about the impact of obesity? It is a serious problem.

Did she have mobility issues because she was obese or was she obese because she had mobility issues? Obviously I don't expect you out to answer, because you don't know, you just made a judgement.
What a horribly albeit comment to say that someone who doesn't have perfect mobility shouldn't teach. Imagine how many incredible teachers with disabilities that would rule out of a job.

StrangerThings1 · 12/04/2025 13:42

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 12/04/2025 13:31

Because unhealthy overweight means they can't remember facts and pass them onto children?

Unhealthy overweight looking could mean they have health issues ( mental or physical) that could impinge on their performance, it could indicate a general lack of self care and that ‘I don’t care’ attitude could also seep into their attitude towards their work

I heard an employer of a very large company in London say in front of an entire audience ( 200+ people) that he doesn’t employ overweight people when he was asked what type of people does he hire…..granted this was 20 years ago and he probably wouldn’t voice his opinion on such matters so publicly now but the thinking would still be the same

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 12/04/2025 13:31

StrangerThings1 · 12/04/2025 13:16

Depends on how overweight they were and if they looked like a healthy overweight or not

Because unhealthy overweight means they can't remember facts and pass them onto children?

Sakura7 · 12/04/2025 13:28

Eelqueen · 12/04/2025 12:17

Exactly
the op is unpleasant on other threads too
it is sad to think this Op may have children and be teaching them to view their teachers like this

Says the person who has made some very judgemental and unpleasant posts on this thread.

StrangerThings1 · 12/04/2025 13:16

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 12/04/2025 13:11

But are you judging their ability to do their job because of their weight?

That teachers fat, she can't possibly know history is not something that ever crosses my mind.

Depends on how overweight they were and if they looked like a healthy overweight or not

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 12/04/2025 13:11

StrangerThings1 · 12/04/2025 13:06

Agree, it’s instinctual
If people think they are not being judged on their appearance they are delusional

But are you judging their ability to do their job because of their weight?

That teachers fat, she can't possibly know history is not something that ever crosses my mind.

StrangerThings1 · 12/04/2025 13:06

coxesorangepippin · 11/04/2025 20:22

Everyone judges everyone else, it's a fact

Agree, it’s instinctual
If people think they are not being judged on their appearance they are delusional

SmoothEncounter · 12/04/2025 12:57

doodleschnoodle · 11/04/2025 19:25

YABU to lump overweight in with unkempt. Being overweight is not a character flaw or a personality problem.

This.

My “overweight” friends dress superbly to suit their body type, smell amazing and look fabulous. They have a far better sense of style than me often.

Another bitchy weight thread. How tedious.

ehb102 · 12/04/2025 12:51

You showed your prejudice the minute you mixed up stained clothing with fat people.
Yours,
Lipoedema sufferer
P.S. 10% of women get lipoedema and it mostly appears after menopause. Cross your fingers you don't get it because karma is a bitch

Littleloopyears · 12/04/2025 12:36

Eelqueen · 12/04/2025 12:20

On The balance of probabilities someone obese is more likely to struggle with being very energetic and keeping up with fast 4 years old than the same person but stones lighter.

and it is quite bizarre to think otherwise.

Edited

It’s not bizarre at all, I just don’t judge someone’s ability by the way they look. I don’t take them at face value and make assumptions of them

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/04/2025 12:28

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 12/04/2025 12:20

Sorry but your comment about judging people when you are working as a funeral director is appalling. Have you no compassion for people’s grief? Do you think it makes them feel better dressed in a suit?

Completely agree. Obsequious springs to mind.

The way the funeral industry is going better that the staff in them make the (fewer) customers they will encounter feel cared for rather than judged.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 12/04/2025 12:26

What form does your judging take? Tutting or is it gossiping behind their backs or just feelings of superiority that you are 'doing it better'? All pointless but, if that's what you do that's what you do.

First lesson I was taught is not to judge a book by its cover. A very good mantra that's been obliterated by social media platforms and so many thinking that their opinion actually matters.

Eelqueen · 12/04/2025 12:25

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 12/04/2025 12:25

And by going swimming she is doing something about it by doing some gentle exercise. It probably took a lot of courage for her to do that.

And this poster isn’t even remotely saying otherwise

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 12/04/2025 12:25

Redburnett · 12/04/2025 09:42

But weight does impact people's ability to do some jobs. I was in local swimming pool last night and a grossly obese women walked (well waddled) from the changing rooms to the pool. She could barely move her feet one in front of the other very slowly, it required a sort of lurch to shift her body weight with each step. That would make her unsuited to working in a classroom. Why are people so deluded about the impact of obesity? It is a serious problem.

And by going swimming she is doing something about it by doing some gentle exercise. It probably took a lot of courage for her to do that.

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 12/04/2025 12:20

Jabberwok · 11/04/2025 19:28

Fully agree. I was just thinking about this today. Recruitment for a large insurance company where I was a manager, colleague and I interviewed a chap who was borderline on being successful. I voted no as he'd not shaved or polished his shoes...we are talking university graduate not 16 year old here

Personally I like to make sure I am the best dressed man in the room as it gives me a physiological edge in business situations. I look wealthy (most clothes bought from charity shops) and confident.

I would not be happy if a teacher looks like a tramp.

I am currently working for a funeral director and it shocks me how many men don't even own a pair of trousers...your mum's died, go to a charity shop or buy something cheap from Primark or Amazon...clearly you don't have any self respect or respect for others

Sorry but your comment about judging people when you are working as a funeral director is appalling. Have you no compassion for people’s grief? Do you think it makes them feel better dressed in a suit?

Eelqueen · 12/04/2025 12:20

Littleloopyears · 12/04/2025 11:44

You’re still assuming that a slim person would be more physically able to be a childminder though. Assuming that they’re more able to go to a playground, walk around or keep kids safe on a road. There are many childminders who, whilst they are slim and look outwardly fit, are unfit, have physical restrictions or both.

Being a reception teacher is a very physical job considering that they not only teach have to physically help and keep the children safe. At the end of the day, kids don’t just sit in their bottoms at school.

On The balance of probabilities someone obese is more likely to struggle with being very energetic and keeping up with fast 4 years old than the same person but stones lighter.

and it is quite bizarre to think otherwise.

Eelqueen · 12/04/2025 12:17

Pickledpoppetpickle · 12/04/2025 11:49

Christ, as if the teaching crisis wasn’t deep enough. Ow teachers must dress to suit others and keep their weight at a level that means no judgement will be required. That’s me out then. I teach a long term shortage subject - at least one school locally is no longer offering said subject. You, OP, are very much part of the problem.

Exactly
the op is unpleasant on other threads too
it is sad to think this Op may have children and be teaching them to view their teachers like this

Eelqueen · 12/04/2025 12:16

Shinyandnew1 · 12/04/2025 11:47

I’m talking about childminders who take children out to public playgrounds, lots of walking on streets, crossing roads etc

Hmm, so your four year old child will run away from childminders necessitating them to chase 'at full pelt' yet they will NOT do this a few weeks later when the reception teacher takes them out onto the field or on a local walk to the fire station?

so You don’t see the difference between

a teacher plus TA plus parent helpers
plus older versus at a childminder?

plus with peers versus a childminder on her own dealing with babies and toddlers as well?

plus the odd visit once or twice a term versus day in and day out trips to public areas, likely shops, parks etc?

ok

Pickledpoppetpickle · 12/04/2025 11:49

Christ, as if the teaching crisis wasn’t deep enough. Ow teachers must dress to suit others and keep their weight at a level that means no judgement will be required. That’s me out then. I teach a long term shortage subject - at least one school locally is no longer offering said subject. You, OP, are very much part of the problem.

Shinyandnew1 · 12/04/2025 11:47

I’m talking about childminders who take children out to public playgrounds, lots of walking on streets, crossing roads etc

Hmm, so your four year old child will run away from childminders necessitating them to chase 'at full pelt' yet they will NOT do this a few weeks later when the reception teacher takes them out onto the field or on a local walk to the fire station?

Littleloopyears · 12/04/2025 11:44

Eelqueen · 12/04/2025 11:04

Good lord
I don’t have an issue with teachers

I’m talking about childminders who take children out to public playgrounds, lots of walking on streets, crossing roads etc

You’re still assuming that a slim person would be more physically able to be a childminder though. Assuming that they’re more able to go to a playground, walk around or keep kids safe on a road. There are many childminders who, whilst they are slim and look outwardly fit, are unfit, have physical restrictions or both.

Being a reception teacher is a very physical job considering that they not only teach have to physically help and keep the children safe. At the end of the day, kids don’t just sit in their bottoms at school.

SquashedSquid · 12/04/2025 11:27

Eelqueen · 12/04/2025 10:01

Calm down

I don’t give a flying fig whether my nurse, dentist, friend or colleague is overweight

I DO care that my very active 4 year old is in the care of someone who is not obese and therefore would struggle to chase him down at full pelt

Perhaps you should teach your child not to run away from someone, "At full pelt", because at the age of four, he should know better.