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Who will look after MIL after this avoidable cock up ?

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Souredgrapes · 10/04/2025 14:01

DH and SIL both provide a lot of home support for MIL . One of them see her every day . Shop , prepare food, supervise meds , take her out . Without this support she would need professional carers for sure . Despite this help , MIL texts DH several time a day / evening with very emotive messages . Says she’s in pain , lonely , hungry, can’t find the remote. All of her needs are being met so these texts really are not on but forgivable as she has early dementia and lives alone. When we do pop in after such a text ( 17 miles away) she’s always ok . We also have cameras on her so we know she’s fine .

DH and I booked a special holiday at the end of last year and gave SIL the dates . We have only been able to take 2 previous holidays abroad in the past 11 years so this is a big deal for us. It’s not quite “trip of a lifetime” , but alone those lines. We go at the end of this month for 10 days .

SIL has now booked a holiday abroad for exactly the same dates ! She found a deal she couldn’t resist apparently .

I have suggested to DH that professional carers are brought in as MIL is unlikely to be safe in her own home without their support .

DH isn’t listening to my concerns as he thinks I’m being driven by the selfish thought that Mils endless texting and calls during our holiday are going to spoil it . He’s not wrong to be fair , because this is exactly what will happen at best . At worst , MIL will have an accident and then DH will likely fly back . I’ve already said I won’t leave early . As you can image these conversations are tense as I’m coming across badly in his opinion .

I can’t believe the idiocy of the situation which was totally avoidable. I honestly thought SIL would cancel her holiday given the amount of care they both put in and that our holiday was booked first and is a big one . Sil holidays 2 to 4 times a year and this isn’t a particularly special holiday for her.

AIBU to now approach SIL, voice my concerns and ask her to come up with a care plan that doesn’t rely on goodwill from friends and neighbours.

OP posts:
APocketFullOfRye · 10/04/2025 19:13

Id keep out of this
Your dh and sil need to decide what to do.

It sounds like she needs more care ( possibly residential or a live in carer ) anyway, especially with the dementia
It seems like SIL is doing the bulk of the support with the comparison between her workload and your dhs. I very much doubt they are equal.
This is hard on one person and tbh I’d be mortified if my kids had to wash me ( but that’s me, maybe ? )

So I’d say dh and sil need to arrange a carer. Preferably ones on rotation so there’s someone there all the time as you said MIL has the money for this.

I don’t see why SIL should change her plans no matter how many holidays she’s had.

AprilBunny · 10/04/2025 19:04

Vaxtable · 10/04/2025 19:03

Mil needs to go into respite care and any costs are split between dh and sil

Surely the DM pays for her own care?

Vaxtable · 10/04/2025 19:03

Mil needs to go into respite care and any costs are split between dh and sil

AprilBunny · 10/04/2025 19:00

She has the option of respite care or paying for care calls each day, there isn’t another option. SiL going away the same time as you may be a blessing as it’s forces your DH and her to sort out some additional care for their mother.

EmeraldRoulette · 10/04/2025 18:58

HenDoNot · 10/04/2025 14:11

Do you think SIL has deliberately booked the same dates to try and force the issue of professional carers?

Maybe your DH doesn’t listen to her in the same way he won’t listen to you, and she’s had enough.

these were my first thoughts too, at least about professional carers.

i'm Not suggesting there's any bad blood between them.

But having navigated this hell scape for some years and still in it, it's impossible to get the Parents to agree to care sometimes!

So if that's how she's feeling, she may want to see how a crisis unfolds with herself and her brother abroad and unable to help.

I don't think I would go abroad unless my mum was in a care home because the risk of having to fly back is just too high. (I'm not too fussed about holidays for other reasons though).

So I understand you can't bear to deal with constant messages on holiday, but something else should be put in place so that the messages aren't received.

There is nothing he can do from abroad anyway.

it strikes me as a very extreme thing to do and very unfair. So my first thought was that she wants to get her mother to accept alternative care and had to take this rather drastic step for it to happen.

DrummingMousWife · 10/04/2025 18:58

SaladSandwichesForTea · 10/04/2025 14:05

Yabu.

Stay well out of it. Say nothing. You've given your husband your position, you're definitely going on holiday and you're definitely not coming home soon.

Don't baby him and make yourself the villain. You've said your piece, don't get drawn into a discussion.

Seperately, of course its bloody obvious noone can drink from an empty cup and professional carers are the answer, and yes I empathise he won't be taking a break and this impacts you hugely.

I don't say this at all unsympathetically but this was part of the package of getting married - he clearly feels he needs to grieve/cope with his mum this way and you sort of have to roll with it lest you forever be the unsupportive wife.

Check yourself out and give him space and accept that this is a point in your marriage where you each require a bit of space and thst you'll come.together again at some point.

This.
stay out of it - let them get on with it. Don’t fly back and don’t get involved.

Topseyt123 · 10/04/2025 18:50

Souredgrapes · 10/04/2025 18:37

Hi , thanks for all the replies . All lovely ( well I see a few deleted but hey ho ) . To answer a few questions.
I do stay out of any care arrangements for MIL , as I have my own set of responsibilities that I happily take on and manage. So approaching SIL would not be a normal thing for me to do . I would definitely look “out of order” .

SIL is lovely and I don’t believe she double booked the holidays deliberately. Her and DH split the care as equally as possible . DH works full time including nights but gets a lot of time off . SIL works 1 or 2 days a week . Other than DH , we are a family of Drs, Nurses , pharmacists and other health providers so pretty switched on to care requirements usually .

DH and SIL have time to look after MIL and do so because they love her . It doesn’t often reach a point of crisis but I do know that on a recent mini break for SIL she was reduced to tears as a result of some of MILs texts . Just after Xmas , I did ask my DH to go and stay with MIL for a few days as honestly all our plans for a family time went out the window due to her acute needs ( and behaviour ) .

MIL has been assessed by social service and deemed fit to live alone in her own home without a care package. This beggars belief as she currently sleeps downstairs with no downstairs bath or shower . She can’t walk upstairs so she is brought to our house a few times a week to use the walk in shower. SIL washes her other days . I kid you not , SS deemed it ok for MIL to stand at her kitchen sink and wash . That’s a whole other thread .

MILs dementia is mild at present . She has had some recent tests which confirmed this . I think there is a fine line between what behaviours are down to the dementia and what is in her nature to need to be looked after . Again, this is an unpopular opinion of mine and one DH disagrees with .

MIL was in respite care following a fall and broken hip . She “kicked off” spectacularly and had SIL and grandchildren in tears . She texted anyone and everyone to get her out . Telling people her children had abandoned her . It was awful . DH and SIL were getting concerned calls from so many people wondering what was going on . SIL brought her home before the respite period was over . MIL will not entertain going into such a facility again.

This may explain why DH / SIL haven’t organised this level of care .

There is money to spend on carers coming in daily so that’s not an issue either . Which is why I am at a loss this scenario is being left to play out .

That's so hard for everyone, but I'm afraid it will come to a point of having to grow more backbone (not meaning to sound horrid there) and become very firm with her.

This situation will soon become totally untenable. If she won't consider residential care then she might have to have live-in carers, which she will have to pay for.

It sounds as though the property she lives in is also now unsuitable with the bathroom being upstairs. I think she will have to be made to understand that she is at or close to the limit of what can be managed in her current house. That's nobody's fault, just the way it is. She wouldn't be safe on stairs.

I'm very relieved that my own mobility impaired elderly mother lives in a bungalow and is willing to have and pay for carers. Those are the only reasons she is still there. It wouldn't be possible otherwise.

Iwannakeepondancing · 10/04/2025 18:48

SIL is an arsehole.
MIL is taking over your life and another solution needs to be found such as a care home.

diddl · 10/04/2025 18:46

MIL will not entertain going into such a facility again.

Unfortunately she might have to when 24hr care is needed.

diddl · 10/04/2025 18:44

I kid you not , SS deemed it ok for MIL to stand at her kitchen sink and wash .

Oh yes, we were told this with my Dad.

Bed downstairs, wash at sink, use a commode.

He used a walking stick by this time so balance not great as it was!

WearyAuldWumman · 10/04/2025 18:42

Souredgrapes · 10/04/2025 18:37

Hi , thanks for all the replies . All lovely ( well I see a few deleted but hey ho ) . To answer a few questions.
I do stay out of any care arrangements for MIL , as I have my own set of responsibilities that I happily take on and manage. So approaching SIL would not be a normal thing for me to do . I would definitely look “out of order” .

SIL is lovely and I don’t believe she double booked the holidays deliberately. Her and DH split the care as equally as possible . DH works full time including nights but gets a lot of time off . SIL works 1 or 2 days a week . Other than DH , we are a family of Drs, Nurses , pharmacists and other health providers so pretty switched on to care requirements usually .

DH and SIL have time to look after MIL and do so because they love her . It doesn’t often reach a point of crisis but I do know that on a recent mini break for SIL she was reduced to tears as a result of some of MILs texts . Just after Xmas , I did ask my DH to go and stay with MIL for a few days as honestly all our plans for a family time went out the window due to her acute needs ( and behaviour ) .

MIL has been assessed by social service and deemed fit to live alone in her own home without a care package. This beggars belief as she currently sleeps downstairs with no downstairs bath or shower . She can’t walk upstairs so she is brought to our house a few times a week to use the walk in shower. SIL washes her other days . I kid you not , SS deemed it ok for MIL to stand at her kitchen sink and wash . That’s a whole other thread .

MILs dementia is mild at present . She has had some recent tests which confirmed this . I think there is a fine line between what behaviours are down to the dementia and what is in her nature to need to be looked after . Again, this is an unpopular opinion of mine and one DH disagrees with .

MIL was in respite care following a fall and broken hip . She “kicked off” spectacularly and had SIL and grandchildren in tears . She texted anyone and everyone to get her out . Telling people her children had abandoned her . It was awful . DH and SIL were getting concerned calls from so many people wondering what was going on . SIL brought her home before the respite period was over . MIL will not entertain going into such a facility again.

This may explain why DH / SIL haven’t organised this level of care .

There is money to spend on carers coming in daily so that’s not an issue either . Which is why I am at a loss this scenario is being left to play out .

Right. If she won't tolerate respite, then an overnight carer needs to be bought in while you're all away.

I'm not surprised about SS. In Fife, they'll happily tell families that someone with dementia can have their bed and a commode in the living room: "Just put a stair gate across the bottom of the stairs."

Souredgrapes · 10/04/2025 18:37

Hi , thanks for all the replies . All lovely ( well I see a few deleted but hey ho ) . To answer a few questions.
I do stay out of any care arrangements for MIL , as I have my own set of responsibilities that I happily take on and manage. So approaching SIL would not be a normal thing for me to do . I would definitely look “out of order” .

SIL is lovely and I don’t believe she double booked the holidays deliberately. Her and DH split the care as equally as possible . DH works full time including nights but gets a lot of time off . SIL works 1 or 2 days a week . Other than DH , we are a family of Drs, Nurses , pharmacists and other health providers so pretty switched on to care requirements usually .

DH and SIL have time to look after MIL and do so because they love her . It doesn’t often reach a point of crisis but I do know that on a recent mini break for SIL she was reduced to tears as a result of some of MILs texts . Just after Xmas , I did ask my DH to go and stay with MIL for a few days as honestly all our plans for a family time went out the window due to her acute needs ( and behaviour ) .

MIL has been assessed by social service and deemed fit to live alone in her own home without a care package. This beggars belief as she currently sleeps downstairs with no downstairs bath or shower . She can’t walk upstairs so she is brought to our house a few times a week to use the walk in shower. SIL washes her other days . I kid you not , SS deemed it ok for MIL to stand at her kitchen sink and wash . That’s a whole other thread .

MILs dementia is mild at present . She has had some recent tests which confirmed this . I think there is a fine line between what behaviours are down to the dementia and what is in her nature to need to be looked after . Again, this is an unpopular opinion of mine and one DH disagrees with .

MIL was in respite care following a fall and broken hip . She “kicked off” spectacularly and had SIL and grandchildren in tears . She texted anyone and everyone to get her out . Telling people her children had abandoned her . It was awful . DH and SIL were getting concerned calls from so many people wondering what was going on . SIL brought her home before the respite period was over . MIL will not entertain going into such a facility again.

This may explain why DH / SIL haven’t organised this level of care .

There is money to spend on carers coming in daily so that’s not an issue either . Which is why I am at a loss this scenario is being left to play out .

OP posts:
WearyAuldWumman · 10/04/2025 18:35

You either need professional carers for MIL or to place her in a respite facility for the duration fo the holiday plus a day at either side of the holiday.

(My late mother had dementia. Even at the stage that you MIL's at, you need something in place.)

MMUmum · 10/04/2025 18:33

Mum in law needs respite care, use thus as time for her to get used to residential care and build up a relationship with staff, in case she eventually needs permanent placement

diddl · 10/04/2025 18:28

I read it that SIL has sorted care out for the time that she is away & Op doesn't think it is good enough.

Zippityjumpingbean · 10/04/2025 18:21

lazycats · 10/04/2025 14:18

So… the SIL knew the dates and just booked it anyway? What did she think would happen?

Hang on though, I can see how SIL could be painted as the bad guy here but actually my understanding of this is that DH and SIL both share care yet DH (and Op) chose to book a holiday and then tell SIL that she would be doing 💯 of the care for those ten days.
wouldn’t it have been better to discuss first, check SIL was happy to take on DH caring duties too and then book?

I wonder if she’s booked a holiday the same week because dumping duties on her is a bit of a habit?

anyway, apart from that I agree with PP you need some sort of professional carers now.

Moveoverdarlin · 10/04/2025 18:20

roundaboutthehillsareshining · 10/04/2025 16:17

I can't think of anywhere that would do respite care for £70 a week.....

Exactly! Add a 1 to the start of £70 and a 0 to the end.

Dearg · 10/04/2025 18:13

Well Op, I think that’s a shitty thing for your SIL to do. It may be that she has had enough and wants to force the issue.

Meantime, you could call adult social care yourself and report MIL as a vulnerable elderly woman, and explain that her family will all be away at the same time and are not able to care for her.

HiRen · 10/04/2025 18:00

TBH it's your MIL who is worst off in this situation, given both her carers have decided to absent themselves at the same time. That's a cruel thing to do to her. How is she going to eat / shop / do daily things that she normally relies on you for?

It's one thing saying you can't cope any more - time to get professional carers in. It's another thing saying you're all going to swan off on holiday at the same time so, what, she has to just deal with it?

Of all three adults you're the one least in the firing line. Your DH and SIL are behaving like teenagers frankly.

StartAnew · 10/04/2025 17:56

I'd explain to your MIL slowly and carefully that there's been a mixup and both adult children will be on holiday the same week. So they'd like MIL please to help them out by going into respite care, NOT permanently but just to cover this period. Then they will come and collect her and bring her home on such and such a date. They are asking her to do this because they love her and want to make sure she will be OK while they are away. They may not have a good signal on holiday but they will read any messages she sends and text her once a day to say all is well.
If you can find a nice respite place, she may be more open to consider more outside care in future.

Cakeandusername · 10/04/2025 17:52

I’d also suspect SIL is doing bulk of caring especially personal care and has done this to chivvy things along.
What’s his plan? He can’t just leave her home alone for 10 days if she needs daily care.
He needs to sort carers or respite.

Supersimkin7 · 10/04/2025 17:47

SIL has pulled a blinder. MIL will have a crisis and be forced to accept carers, which lets SIL and DH off the hook.

Seniles can live for 15-30 years, so this crisis needs to happen.

The first rule of compassionate care: setting yourself on fire doesn’t put someone else out.

Tiswa · 10/04/2025 17:46

HenDoNot · 10/04/2025 14:11

Do you think SIL has deliberately booked the same dates to try and force the issue of professional carers?

Maybe your DH doesn’t listen to her in the same way he won’t listen to you, and she’s had enough.

I wondered this - whether this is actually forcing your DH to face up to the fact that this simply isn’t feasible to continue and she needs (for her sake) more care than they can give

you can get temporary care home care - I know when we went away before my Nan went into residential care she did a short term stay when we went away. It really helped to see what worked and what didnt

NImumconfused · 10/04/2025 17:45

Hwi · 10/04/2025 17:26

And one of them sees MIL every day - let me guess which one that is?

I took that to mean one or other of them sees her every day, rather than one of them does the vast majority.

Iateallthechocolate · 10/04/2025 17:45

Respite in a nursing home. This is a good idea for more than this holiday. If you can fund it do it a couple times a year. That way when the dementia deteriorates she has somewhere familiar to go, that family are happy with.
My grandmother chose one to recuperate from illness a few times and the transition when she needed it full time, was easy, as family knew she liked it there.

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