One day old baby in pub

Agreed. And if you can't put your family's NEEDS (i.e. cleaned doorstep) ahead of your own SELFISH behaviours (i.e. doing other things), then we should call Social Services!

Speaking as one who had babies in the sixties, first one at 18, I can’t think of anything worse than going for lunch in a pub with a newborn. I wanted to get home, have peace and quiet and time with them, while having a rest. A noisy environment and having to converse with everyone who wanted to look at the new addition would be the last thing I wanted. We just wanted to keep baby to ourselves, plenty of time to share them later! No way would I have trudged round a supermarket. Those first few hours after leaving hospitals were too precious to be shared with strangers.

To be fair you are right. My mum ( boomer generation) is very much of the view that mothers should be resting after labour. However unfortunately it really isn’t done these days. Hospitals have you out either next day or same day in the case either my second 14 years ago. Despite 29 and 23 hr labours. In my mums dad they were in hospital cared for and baby cared for ten days !!! I see what you are saying.

It still depends on the baby and situation- that article fixates a lot on kissing and the herpes virus as well as chicken pox. Newborn babies are only at risk of these if they have no maternal antibodies. Since I’ve had chicken pox and cold sores in the past neither of those were a concern to me with my newborn.

im just uncertain of the narrative that even mild colds and viruses are ‘extremely dangerous’ to newborns as has been peddled by a few on this thread. If this was the case why is there no widespread guidance on how to deal with bringing babies into a home already inhabited by toddlers and small children who are the germiest biohazards known to man. If it was that dangerous you’d be advised to send them packing for a couple of months.

I also remember in the COVID pandemic newborns were not considered clinically vulnerable despite all immunocompromised groups being so.

I went shopping the day I had my son. Who are you to judge?

Sorry but who cares. Live and let live.

A young mother with i presume, a baby in a carrier / car seat / dressed properly etc - why does it matter where she is? Unless you saw her knocking back drinks or neglecting the baby it really doesn't matter.

17 and a newborn - the woman needs all the support she can get.

What about an artisan cafe (that sells organic food from locally sourced produce)?

How odd of you.

No, I'm not at all. I said that it's a possibility, which it is. That's different to saying something will happen.

You're making an assumption when you say the visit from relatives will happen in addition to the pub visit, though. The relatives could be visiting in a large and not busy pub, or indeed sitting in an outside beer garden, as an alternative to being in a smaller space inside a home. That's another possibility.

The fact is that you can't make a claim about relative levels of risk, as the pp did, without a lot more information than we've been given.

So it's crowded etc doesn't really matter, it's the fact that it's a pub?

Maybe. But a pub is no place for a 1 day old. I don’t care if that makes me boring.

You’re assuming that if she visits the pub, that no relatives will visit for six weeks. An either/or. ‘This’ is just as twisty as ‘this’.

In reality, the relatives will still be visiting. So the risk of the pub visit will be in addition to the visiting relatives.

*Editing to remove autocorrect from ‘risky’ to ‘twisty’ but I quite like it so I’ll leave it in.

I’m assuming you need to go to bed!

I stayed home 10 days which was the general advice back in the 80’s. I can’t imagine wanting to go to the pub, I just wanted to protect my fragile new human

Then no assumption should be made at all. And you made one when you suggested that seeing family members at home for 6 weeks would be less risky than being in a pub. It's absolutely possible that seeing family for 6 weeks will involve more people and more risk than being in a pub on day 1, there's no getting round that one.

None of this is affected by your subjective take on where a 1 day old baby should be, I'm not arsed about that part. But if you're going to try and quantfy risk, do it without making things up.

That's the thing though, we don't know if it was crowded.

Our local pub would have some people in it at that time but it wouldn't be crowded and if it was nice weather, it would be even less crowded inside because people would be more likely to be sat outside. Maybe she even sat outside?

No but equally we can’t assume it was empty.

A 1 day old baby should be at home or out in the fresh air with mum, not in a pub. Yes I’m sure there will be ‘judgy fucker’ type responses but I stand by that. If you choose to have a baby the least you can do is put them first for a few weeks until their immune system is a bit stronger.

I’ve had a number of haemorrhages, and I can say quite categorically I’d much prefer to have a medic spread my legs and insert their fist to attempt to stop the bleeding in the privacy of my own home rather than on a pub carpet.

People going to pubs because it's nice weather of the type the UK has had this wee will sit outside.

Ultimately, we have no idea about how many people were in the pub. What that means is that nobody should be assuming.

https://www.lullabytrust.org.uk/baby-safety/infection-and-illness/preventing-infection/

Why wouldn’t it be? Small pub, popular venue, nice weather, lunchtime deals? The pub on our office road would be heaving with office workers on their lunch break as they did good lunch deals.

Maybe there was a big race meeting that all the regulars weee watching on the TV 😆

School run isn’t the same as the pub. You’re outside, the risk of transmission is much lower.

That's assuming it was crowded. Why would it be crowded during a weekday afternoon?

Newborn immune systems aren’t weak. That’s a fallacy seemingly made up by people on this thread. Babies have immunity from their mothers for the first few weeks of life. Why do you think first jabs aren’t till 8 weeks?