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To think that the private school VAT case is a waste of time and money?

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Yaaaassssssqueeeeeennnnnslay · 09/04/2025 08:04

The government’s removal of VAT breaks on school fees is being challenged in courts - friend has been pinning her hopes on this, her DC ( no SEN, perfectly bright) are in an expensive private school. I told her it wasn’t likely to make a difference, and her children will be long out of school by the time any absolute decisions are made.

However, even if the judgement goes the school’s way it’ll court to the Court of Appeal, then the European Court - which could take years - and even then IF that court rules in favour of private schools our government is under no obligation to change anything.

IF a court is even willing to intervene in a social/economic policy that was in a political manifesto - a BIG policy - and voted for.

YANBU - it’s a waste of time/money if the goal is to get the government to reverse the VAT/ business rates policy in private achools

YABU - it could overturn their policy

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Lorna11 · 31/08/2025 10:51

nam3c4ang3 · 18/06/2025 19:40

I mean - if she can afford it great - if she can’t, pull her kid out. It was voted in. I wish people would stop trying to make ridiculous claims and bring this to the courts etc. it’s silly - and I say this as a private school parent.

Yes it really is as simple as pulling your kid out, when they’re in the middle of their GCSEs, and there are no state school places available.

nam3c4ang3 · 18/06/2025 19:40

I mean - if she can afford it great - if she can’t, pull her kid out. It was voted in. I wish people would stop trying to make ridiculous claims and bring this to the courts etc. it’s silly - and I say this as a private school parent.

Kinkyroots · 18/06/2025 19:36

When the word ‘private’ is involved, someone/s somewhere is making money out of it. They are just being asked to pay fair tax on it. This is a non-argument of the rich trying to stay rich.

skippersy · 18/06/2025 19:27

errrrrrrm yes paid-for breakfast clubs are available, the universal breakfast clubs the government are trialling will be free of charge.

So ignorant.

Wintersgirl · 18/06/2025 17:31

skippersy · 18/06/2025 13:33

Your lack of understanding of the motivation behind the breakfast club scheme is predictable, maybe try viewing things outside of your private school bubble.

Erm....breakfast clubs have been around for years in state schools..

sunbum · 18/06/2025 14:31

rubbish. Its postcode lotttery nonsense. The state primary school my children attend, as well as every state primary school in this county, aready have breakfast clubs, run by external aka private providers. Nobody is asking for breakfast clubs.

skippersy · 18/06/2025 13:33

sunbum · 18/06/2025 00:54

Breakfast clubs in a few schools, that nobody was asking for, as most schools have breakfast clubs already. Pathetic.

Your lack of understanding of the motivation behind the breakfast club scheme is predictable, maybe try viewing things outside of your private school bubble.

MintSnail · 18/06/2025 10:24

The High Court judgement also objected to the use of 'tax break' by the government it has no legal basis. They had to pass a new Act of Parliament to create this new Education Tax opportunity, I definitely think that alone was worth the time and money for the court case The government lying must always be exposed from Rachel's C:V to their freebies to this.

sunbum · 18/06/2025 00:54

Breakfast clubs in a few schools, that nobody was asking for, as most schools have breakfast clubs already. Pathetic.

caringcarer · 17/06/2025 20:25

Any money saved from the policy of spite, has not been used for state schools or Labour would have announced it. Breakfast clubs are not education.

EasternStandard · 16/06/2025 09:49

Mintsj · 16/06/2025 07:14

Well if it attracts rich overseas students, then I’d argue that yes, that fancy cricket pitch is absolutely needed.

Also, any great sports facility, anywhere is a plus. I’ve used private school sports facilities for evening adult sports that I was involved in. Fantastic.

Also the school may be able to reclaim the VAT that they paid on the sports pitch construction.

it was a policy designed to hurt private schools. Money raised in the short term will be minimal due to repayments of VAT, like the reported £5m to Eton.

It’s all a big race to the bottom. And I don’t mean in terms of maths/english. I mean as a society in general. We have made it hard for private landlords so there is fuck all rental stock now. Yes, many were bastards and screwing tenants. But it’s the decent landlords who’ve sold up in fear.

Agree, Labour are in a race to the bottom.

Parsley1234 · 16/06/2025 09:07

@skippersy thank you for your comment we may of had assets but sadly not generating income due to various policies like section 24. To sell would have incurred CGT we were lucky getting a bursary I admit it but now that opportunity has been taken away from others abd us available to none. State schools won’t become better now the vat raised which is nil is going towards housing tweet by Starmer now removed on Thursday it’s a disgrace

skippersy · 16/06/2025 08:42

Parsley1234 · 16/06/2025 07:48

@Mintsj a very fast race to the bottom
my son received a bursary to prep and public no way I could have afforded that it makes me so angry that this opportunity has been taken away from other kids with the withdraw of bursaries assistance for many schools
we were landlords we sold some and have changed the business model ref the others to air band b in direct response to the governments war on landlords hence less rentals
its insane and now the war on business resulting in highest unemployment but Rachel Reeves keeps saying firm footing further and faster she really believes her publicity

You're a landlord with numerous properties, if bursaries are going to already highly privileged families like yourself then maybe they do need to be overhauled.

The lack of self awareness is astounding.

Parsley1234 · 16/06/2025 07:51

RR took £5million funding off state curriculum for advanced maths and Latin

APocketFullOfRye · 16/06/2025 07:48

Superhansrantowindsor · 16/06/2025 07:07

I feel so sorry for all those kids affected by school closures who are in year 10. They now have to change schools and they are probably doing a different specification. I also feel for all the staff losing their jobs.
I paid a lot of money to buy a house in the catchment of a good state school. Anybody else who does the same as me then criticises the concept of private education is hypocritical imo.

A lot of private schools do International GCSEs. If my kids had to change ( they’ve left now) they’d be really screwed as most of them were.
Plus they did Classics, Russian, Latin, German etc subjects not available in many schools and certainly none near us.

Parsley1234 · 16/06/2025 07:48

@Mintsj a very fast race to the bottom
my son received a bursary to prep and public no way I could have afforded that it makes me so angry that this opportunity has been taken away from other kids with the withdraw of bursaries assistance for many schools
we were landlords we sold some and have changed the business model ref the others to air band b in direct response to the governments war on landlords hence less rentals
its insane and now the war on business resulting in highest unemployment but Rachel Reeves keeps saying firm footing further and faster she really believes her publicity

Mintsj · 16/06/2025 07:14

Yaaaassssssqueeeeeennnnnslay · 09/04/2025 09:38

Agreed with this. Friends school have spent literal millions on ‘state of the art’ sports facilities etc. mainly to attract overseas students but honestly, do they need cricket pitches that professional teams would be envious of?

Well if it attracts rich overseas students, then I’d argue that yes, that fancy cricket pitch is absolutely needed.

Also, any great sports facility, anywhere is a plus. I’ve used private school sports facilities for evening adult sports that I was involved in. Fantastic.

Also the school may be able to reclaim the VAT that they paid on the sports pitch construction.

it was a policy designed to hurt private schools. Money raised in the short term will be minimal due to repayments of VAT, like the reported £5m to Eton.

It’s all a big race to the bottom. And I don’t mean in terms of maths/english. I mean as a society in general. We have made it hard for private landlords so there is fuck all rental stock now. Yes, many were bastards and screwing tenants. But it’s the decent landlords who’ve sold up in fear.

Superhansrantowindsor · 16/06/2025 07:07

I feel so sorry for all those kids affected by school closures who are in year 10. They now have to change schools and they are probably doing a different specification. I also feel for all the staff losing their jobs.
I paid a lot of money to buy a house in the catchment of a good state school. Anybody else who does the same as me then criticises the concept of private education is hypocritical imo.

RhaenysRocks · 16/06/2025 06:56

Oh give over @Nominative . This is not the court room, it's a social media chat room. Both my posts say the same thing, that no tangible, specific educational benefit has yet been delivered, but plenty of claims for that money have been spouted. How about you address that instead of picking a fight over posting style?

Nominative · 15/06/2025 23:10

RhaenysRocks · 15/06/2025 17:00

Don't be ridiculous. What I mean is that they haven't published or publicised a single, specific educational improvement to state schools as a result of this. Breakfast clubs are not educational and should come out of the welfare budget. I love how it's ok for it to take time for the funds to trickle in (or not) but it wasn't ok to introduce this gradually in September or at next point of entry for kids already in. That tweak might have allowed the gov to persuade a few more people that this wasn't just a spiteful, ideology driven spank to "the rich" and for parents who could no longer continue to organise contingency plans.

Don't accuse other posters of being ridiculous when you are admitting that your post didn't say what you intended it to say.

Nominative · 15/06/2025 23:08

Bluecheesebonkers · 15/06/2025 01:37

The court case was lost. The court held that yes the child right to education was being breeched, but the right of the government to raise taxes over ruled the child’s rights. So the government ‘won’ but didn’t cover themselves in glory in doing so.

Not quite. The court dismissed the argument that VAT fundamentally altered access to education, stating that the financial burden alone does not breach the right to education

Parsley1234 · 15/06/2025 17:45

They are an absolute disgrace of jealous hypocrisy I despise their race to the bottom aspirations

To think that the private school VAT case is a waste of time and money?
RhaenysRocks · 15/06/2025 17:00

Nominative · 14/06/2025 23:39

Are all the schools directly reporting to you on their employment practices and plans? Unless that is the case, your personal experience is irrelevant.

Don't be ridiculous. What I mean is that they haven't published or publicised a single, specific educational improvement to state schools as a result of this. Breakfast clubs are not educational and should come out of the welfare budget. I love how it's ok for it to take time for the funds to trickle in (or not) but it wasn't ok to introduce this gradually in September or at next point of entry for kids already in. That tweak might have allowed the gov to persuade a few more people that this wasn't just a spiteful, ideology driven spank to "the rich" and for parents who could no longer continue to organise contingency plans.

caringcarer · 15/06/2025 08:59

Yaaaassssssqueeeeeennnnnslay · 09/04/2025 09:38

Agreed with this. Friends school have spent literal millions on ‘state of the art’ sports facilities etc. mainly to attract overseas students but honestly, do they need cricket pitches that professional teams would be envious of?

They have to offer outstanding sporting facilities because that attracts many students.

Parsley1234 · 15/06/2025 08:54

God just when you think they can’t go any lower they can’t even stand by their stupid tweet disgraceful

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