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To think our towns and cities are just so run down lately, and our standard of living has decreased significantly?

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blahhhhg · 08/04/2025 16:42

I don't know if I'm just feeling a bit down and bitter lately but I just feel like lately our country seems to have gotten very run down. I went out into town today and couldn't help but notice how grotty and rundown everything looks. Litter everywhere, security guards everywhere - in nearly every clothing shop there is security on the door now, security wandering up and down the high street. It makes you feel really unsafe but they must be there for a reason now? Shops are dirty; filthy floors and used Starbucks cups just left off the shelf for some poor worker to clean up. Clothes for sale that are covered in makeup stains. I just found it really depressing. It's just not one town either, I've noticed it nearly everywhere I've been. I'm in my late 20s so it's not like I've had decades of life experience to draw from and I have a rose-tinted view of yesteryear, but it seems that in the last 5ish years things have really declined.

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sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:48

If house prices weren't skyrocketing due to the demand from immigration, they would have a fighting chance.

they haven't skyrocketed because of immigration although that hasn't helped

ImagineRainbows · 08/04/2025 19:46

For me it’s the state of the roads as well.

I’ve had at least one blown tyre a year for the last 3 years as the roads are in a dreadful state and nothing seems to be done about them.

This is the price of austerity I guess.

Catarinabella · 08/04/2025 19:45

I went into my city,recently for a medical appointment. Was shocked how badly broken it was. So many empty shops, graffiti, so many poor homeless people sleeping in doorways 😢 when I was a student here 40 years ago it was vibrant and thriving 🤷‍♀️ no longer

Veronay · 08/04/2025 19:45

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:41

What is the end game though? We're at a point now where our young people can't afford to start families.

We haven't invested in young people or young families though. We have no choice but to rely on immigration as demographically wise we are screwed.

If house prices weren't skyrocketing due to the demand from immigration, they would have a fighting chance. Not everyone can be in the top 10% of earners, our young people deserve to live in dignity but now they're left fighting for the crumbs while people who turn up in the country without documentation are handed everything for free. It's a fucking joke.

taxguru · 08/04/2025 19:43

Sidebeforeself · 08/04/2025 19:40

The country is not full to bursting by the way

May or may not, but we don't have the infrastructure for ever increasing population, i.e. housing, schools, GP surgeries, hospitals, etc etc. In lots of places the utility supplies are also creaking as ever more houses are built without the infrastructure being improved to accommodate.

Veronay · 08/04/2025 19:43

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:39

They are to blame for the unnaturally high property prices though, which is the one big force preventing people spending on anything else besides their basics.

How many immigrants are buying houses?

QE caused house price inflation and we also have an ageing population plus we sold off a lot of social housing and do not build enough homes.

Hardly any, they are largely being housed by local councils who now pay private landlords extortionate fees. Yes, because a lot of the social housing stock was sold off. Now it's a business to let out substandard housing to the highest bidder- which is often councils who are lumped with paying the rent on their behalf. All from our taxes, yay!

taxguru · 08/04/2025 19:41

animalculous · 08/04/2025 19:21

Money laundering. There's always a new Mercedes with blacked out windows lurking nearby and shifty looking men going in and out of the shop. Ours has even taken their shop front sign down to cut down on genuine customers. I went into a phone shop once to ask about a screen replacement and he couldn't have been clearer that he couldn't be bothered to do it. This was before I knew about the money laundering thing.

Nail on the head. Especially the mobile phone accessory shops full of cheap Chinese crap that no one would want. That's the thing with the money launderers - they need to make the shops look full and prosperous so buy loads of cheap crap to give the illusion that it's busy and prosperous. As you say, if you go in and actually ask them to do something technical, they've not got a clue. It's all nothing but a front for money laundering. Same with a lot of ethnic food shops - likewise shops full to bursting with cheap foodstuffs, but never any customers.

Sandwich bars and kebab takeaways can sometimes be similar - again, cheap "purchases" of core foodstuffs often cheap crap from supermarket value ranges so they don't lose much money when it goes past it's sell by date and has to be dumped - some of them are really poor in terms of food quality - I mistakenly went into a sandwich bar once and all the sandwich fillings etc were laid out in the counter fridge display but when I asked for a sandwich the guy behind the counter just shrugged and said they'd run out of bread and rolls! Yeah right!

Pile it high with cheap crap shops and "labour" only like nail bars and turkish barbers are very commonly used for money laundering, and modern slavery too.

Flamingoknees · 08/04/2025 19:41

I was in Sunderland recently. In the 70's, 80's, 90's, it was a bustling town, then city, centre. Days and nights. It's very depressing now.

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:41

What is the end game though? We're at a point now where our young people can't afford to start families.

We haven't invested in young people or young families though. We have no choice but to rely on immigration as demographically wise we are screwed.

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 08/04/2025 19:40

My boss saw an actual human shitting out a bag of drugs in a retail park in Luton. That's how bad it is there. 11am right near Luton airport.

Sidebeforeself · 08/04/2025 19:40

The country is not full to bursting by the way

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:39

They are to blame for the unnaturally high property prices though, which is the one big force preventing people spending on anything else besides their basics.

How many immigrants are buying houses?

QE caused house price inflation and we also have an ageing population plus we sold off a lot of social housing and do not build enough homes.

Sidebeforeself · 08/04/2025 19:39

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:32

People forget that we work long hours here, often with long commutes & our pay is shit so people have less time to get to the shops hence the reliance on delivery.

Exactly. There’s no point urging people to support local businesses if they don’t exist! We may have done this to ourselves but that doesn’t necessarily mean we can bring it back!

shrumps · 08/04/2025 19:37

I can’t think of any West Midlands town that doesn’t look neglected and unloved. The high streets are just vape shops, barbers, fast food shops and charity shops, litter everywhere and no one seems to care. I really don’t like living here anymore.

Veronay · 08/04/2025 19:36

MasterBeth · 08/04/2025 19:33

  1. It isn't.

  2. Migrants aren't responsible for the growth in internet shopping or Tory austerity.

They are to blame for the unnaturally high property prices though, which is the one big force preventing people spending on anything else besides their basics. All so that those with investments see continuous growth year after year. What is the end game though? We're at a point now where our young people can't afford to start families. Is the aim to just import our population and watch British culture vanish?

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:36

My priority housing wise is always to live close to a good high street so I take the smaller house/garden etc. So many seem very happy to live away from amenities though.

taxguru · 08/04/2025 19:33

MissAmbrosia · 08/04/2025 19:26

I live abroad and swear that in the UK it's down to online shopping - something not so prolific on the continent. We have local shops with actual queues outside - butchers, cake shops etc. Our high street is buzzing. The local market is crowded. People like to go and choose clothes/meat/sofas etc and don't so much subscribe to having it all delivered. If you want shops in the High Street you have to use them - unfortunately I fear it's too late in many places.

Not just the internet - the out of town supermarkets and retail parks started the demise about 30 years ago. Ironically, the internet is now affected the out of town shopping areas with more and more huge "sheds" now lying empty in previously busy retail parks.

MasterBeth · 08/04/2025 19:33

Livingbytheocean · 08/04/2025 17:56

And sort out immigration probably! The country is full to bursting.

  1. It isn't.

  2. Migrants aren't responsible for the growth in internet shopping or Tory austerity.

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:33

Well many areas of London were grim when I was young eg Hackney which then gentrified beyond belief.

taxguru · 08/04/2025 19:32

It's been a downward trend from 30-40 years ago. Mid 90s was the start. Our seaside town started going downhill back then, M&S closed down, closely followed by lots of other "High Street" shops, and the terminal decline started. It was all charity and bookies about 20 years ago, and has just got even worse, now, with all the money laundering shops, selling vapes, ethnic foods, nail bars, Turkish barbers, American candy shops, etc. Lots of other towns up here in the North West have been going the same way over the past few years, such as Barrow, Bradford, Bolton, etc. It's not just derelict/run down town centres, there's so much dereliction everywhere - boarded up houses, litter, and so much deterioration in behaviour with low level crime, anti social behavior, illegal parking, etc.

I think people are finally starting to notice now that it's spreading to "naice" places in previously unaffected areas. But nothing will happen to turn the tide until it starts to hit London badly - then suddenly the politicians will wake up because they can't have it happening on their door-step!

It's so sad that the country is becoming so run down - some places are starting to look like third world slums.

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 19:32

People forget that we work long hours here, often with long commutes & our pay is shit so people have less time to get to the shops hence the reliance on delivery.

UndermyShoeJoe · 08/04/2025 19:30

MissAmbrosia · 08/04/2025 19:26

I live abroad and swear that in the UK it's down to online shopping - something not so prolific on the continent. We have local shops with actual queues outside - butchers, cake shops etc. Our high street is buzzing. The local market is crowded. People like to go and choose clothes/meat/sofas etc and don't so much subscribe to having it all delivered. If you want shops in the High Street you have to use them - unfortunately I fear it's too late in many places.

Is it also a better work life balance so you have the time to pop to all the different shops rather than trying to squeeze everything in.

Srug · 08/04/2025 19:27

I’m in Cambridgeshire and regularly visit Norwich and Cambridge, as well as nearby market towns. I have absolutely noticed an increase in street drinkers and mentally ill people. During and immediately after COVID the rubbish by the roadsides was awful, though it seems to have improved now. In general though I’d say they are still really nice, safe places with plenty going on.

Sortalike · 08/04/2025 19:27

JacquesHarlow · 08/04/2025 17:28

It’s also worth me sharing the obvious which is that Amazon and friends have been allowed to set up shop and pay 0% tax due to their clever corporate structure..

Meanwhile the effect this has on medium income to low income areas becomes staggering

Hardware stores, clothing stores, electronic shops, department stores, all closing. this has a knock on effect for other shops which fed off this ecosystem.

For towns and villages which have people with discretionary income who want to buy hand made clothing and expensive food, they will still thrive because people will use it or lose it.

But overall, the lack of government policy on Amazon and its contemporaries is staggering.

imagine if Amazon was taxed properly and the money reinvested in high streets

I agree. When I was in my teens/20's I was spoilt for choice of shops on the high street of my very ordinary town. I could hop on a train to Birmingham or Leicester and again, thriving city streets but it's no longer the case.

Online shopping hasn't helped the high street, neither have huge retail parks, but if you don't use the stores that remain they will close.

and if you are ever in Tring, pop into Grace's Hardware you won't be sorry

Orwellsunshine · 08/04/2025 19:27

Ipswich has never had a very positive reputation but it was miles, miles better in the 80s and 90s than it is now. It’s as if there’s been a deliberate policy of destroying anything good in the town and running the place into the ground.