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To think our towns and cities are just so run down lately, and our standard of living has decreased significantly?

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blahhhhg · 08/04/2025 16:42

I don't know if I'm just feeling a bit down and bitter lately but I just feel like lately our country seems to have gotten very run down. I went out into town today and couldn't help but notice how grotty and rundown everything looks. Litter everywhere, security guards everywhere - in nearly every clothing shop there is security on the door now, security wandering up and down the high street. It makes you feel really unsafe but they must be there for a reason now? Shops are dirty; filthy floors and used Starbucks cups just left off the shelf for some poor worker to clean up. Clothes for sale that are covered in makeup stains. I just found it really depressing. It's just not one town either, I've noticed it nearly everywhere I've been. I'm in my late 20s so it's not like I've had decades of life experience to draw from and I have a rose-tinted view of yesteryear, but it seems that in the last 5ish years things have really declined.

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PandoraSox · 08/04/2025 20:57

Veronay · 08/04/2025 20:49

It's not the fault of the individuals it's the fault of policy which supports the industry of funnelling taxes into private landlords' pockets and simultaneously driving up property prices far beyond the reach of most of the country's workers. All we pretty much do is work and pay basic bills now, that's why business isn't growing because very few people are able to spend on anything other than a roof and food. There are other factors too but housing/rent is the one all-encompassing issue.

So why are you blaming "people who don't speak a word of English/ have an active hatred of British culture can be ushered into private lets at my expense" rather than greedy landlords?

violetsorrengail · 08/04/2025 20:57

Enigma53 · 08/04/2025 17:10

Went into Southport recently. Oh heck, what has happened to poor old Lord Street? It looked so sad and run down.

That's so interesting as we went back to Southport this weekend for the first time in nearly forty years (I was born there.) It had certainly changed an awful lot, was thinking of it when I saw this thread.

safetychange · 08/04/2025 20:57

I think people are only now realising just how fucked England is. British exceptionalism has hidden this reality from us all for many decades but streets full of rotting rubbish and shoplifters tell a very different story.

MidnightPatrol · 08/04/2025 20:57

CarmelaBrunella · 08/04/2025 20:55

Yes, Thatcherism. Cut taxes, especially the upper rates.

Not now though - the most recent Tory governments legacy doesn’t involve low taxes, and that’s not what’s to blame for crap services.

LondonFox · 08/04/2025 20:56

CarmelaBrunella · 08/04/2025 20:50

As pp have said, it's online shopping and wfh.
People used to have to go out of the house. I used to love going into town and looking round the shops.

I have more need to go out and shop when I wfh than when I am in the office.
I just want to run home and stay therr untill next office day.
When I was fully wfh I went to town every weekend but it was shit.
Vape shops, barbers and nail shops, gambling places and that run down cornershop surviving on drugs sale.

MidnightPatrol · 08/04/2025 20:56

IAmNotASheep · 08/04/2025 20:53

Agree.
Online shopping has killed the high street

TBF the high street doesn’t help itself.

I’ve been trying to buy a pair of trainers. Been to four shops and they didn’t have any in the style I like, in my size.

This experience is far more efficient online.

dodgyplant · 08/04/2025 20:56

MarkWithaC · 08/04/2025 17:08

I'm always struck by the contrast between towns in this country and those in Europe. I've spent a bit of time in Buxton, and they have the amazing Opera House, Pavilion Gardens complex and a beautiful Joseph Paxton park, for starters; but it all just feels a bit sad and run-down. I always think that if it was a comparable town in Italy, say, everything would look well looked after and it would be bustling.

I was in Buxton recently, bleak, tumbleweed kinda place.

realsavagelike · 08/04/2025 20:56

@MistressoftheDarkSide Dark Angel!

Shopaholic88 · 08/04/2025 20:55

I don’t feel safe in my local town anymore. I can remember as a teen getting my first job I’d regularly go in to town alone to spend my wages 20 years later I wouldn’t dream of it.

sharkanado · 08/04/2025 20:55

The problem is Thathcherism could only work once..there's only so much council housing to sell off. Only so many public services to sell off (including water and gas). Only so much north sea oil to profit from. Low taxes destroy public services which then require high taxes to try and fix. Unions crippled helped undercut wages and now everyone is skintnor needs tax credits to pay the rent.

We're paying for it all now.

Yes

CarmelaBrunella · 08/04/2025 20:55

MidnightPatrol · 08/04/2025 20:54

Low Taxation?

Yes, Thatcherism. Cut taxes, especially the upper rates.

suburburban · 08/04/2025 20:55

UndermyShoeJoe · 08/04/2025 20:36

Also too many slum landlords. Especially hmo ones.

You can always tell when they get a new tenant as the entire house gets dumped on the street. Funnily enough though the council can never pin Point who to fine hmmm 🤔

Yes wonderful fly tipping

always Someone else’s problem

CarmelaBrunella · 08/04/2025 20:54

User135644 · 08/04/2025 20:51

The problem is Thathcherism could only work once..there's only so much council housing to sell off. Only so many public services to sell off (including water and gas). Only so much north sea oil to profit from. Low taxes destroy public services which then require high taxes to try and fix. Unions crippled helped undercut wages and now everyone is skintnor needs tax credits to pay the rent.

We're paying for it all now.

We are indeed. Then when all the steel works, car factories, mines, energy companies and British Rail were sold off... what assets has the UK got now?
We were told that privatisation would mean competition and cheaper and more efficient services. I've never known the rail network be so bad.
In my city there was a good stock of well maintained council housing. All sold.

MidnightPatrol · 08/04/2025 20:54

CarmelaBrunella · 08/04/2025 20:47

Low taxation. Right to buy. Unions crippled.
Boom time for many people, utter devastation for others.

Low Taxation?

TaupeMember · 08/04/2025 20:53

Veronay · 08/04/2025 19:45

If house prices weren't skyrocketing due to the demand from immigration, they would have a fighting chance. Not everyone can be in the top 10% of earners, our young people deserve to live in dignity but now they're left fighting for the crumbs while people who turn up in the country without documentation are handed everything for free. It's a fucking joke.

Do you really believe that?

That immigrants are living it up and given everything?

Seriously?

IAmNotASheep · 08/04/2025 20:53

CarmelaBrunella · 08/04/2025 20:50

As pp have said, it's online shopping and wfh.
People used to have to go out of the house. I used to love going into town and looking round the shops.

Agree.
Online shopping has killed the high street

Cr1987 · 08/04/2025 20:51

Councils are struggling. They have had a real decrease in their budget in real terms and have an ever increasing adult social care bill to pick up. I think people forget that adult social care is not just the elderly but also adults with disabilities, learning disabilities and mental health. Councils are also being completely ripped off in many cases by private companies in the adult social care sector. As someone who works in the sector I think people would be shocked to see the sheer costs of some care plans.

I grew up in a lovely town which is declining but I am not surprised. House prices have pushed young people out. There is holiday homes on every street pretty much. The few houses which come up for sale barely last a day or two before they are snapped up over the asking price.

BoredZelda · 08/04/2025 20:51

We moved our town 20 years ago. It was a shit hole then and is a shit hole now.

I worked in retail 30 years ago, we had security guards then. We frequently had shoplifters, for some reason they went after the cheese and bacon mainly.

Things aren’t majorly worse as far as I can see.

User135644 · 08/04/2025 20:51

CarmelaBrunella · 08/04/2025 20:47

Low taxation. Right to buy. Unions crippled.
Boom time for many people, utter devastation for others.

The problem is Thathcherism could only work once..there's only so much council housing to sell off. Only so many public services to sell off (including water and gas). Only so much north sea oil to profit from. Low taxes destroy public services which then require high taxes to try and fix. Unions crippled helped undercut wages and now everyone is skintnor needs tax credits to pay the rent.

We're paying for it all now.

Pedallleur · 08/04/2025 20:51

PandoraSox · 08/04/2025 20:39

Ah, yes. It is all the fault of the foreigners.

The late 70s/early 80s were pretty bad, and it feels a bit like that time did to me. I think black people might have been held to blame for the state of the UK back then. And single mothers. Oh, and Kurdish refugees.

There is always some sort of scapegoat held up for the thickies to blame. It works, sadly.

Edited

Windrush generation then Asians then miners, dockers, single mothers. Always another scapegoat.

UndermyShoeJoe · 08/04/2025 20:50

MidnightPatrol · 08/04/2025 20:47

I have seen supermarket workers with body cameras a few times recently. Which is a sign of the times.

My local Tesco has riot bars around the spirits and cigarettes, the staff behind a plastic sheet and they push the items though a slot.

I live in quite an affluent area, it makes everything feel a lot more dodgy. Presumably there’s a need for it.

Sometimes that’s because they have been accused of inappropriate behaviour. There was a local security chap accused of touching a 13 year old girl so now he has to wear one to keep his job.

CarmelaBrunella · 08/04/2025 20:50

As pp have said, it's online shopping and wfh.
People used to have to go out of the house. I used to love going into town and looking round the shops.

Veronay · 08/04/2025 20:49

PandoraSox · 08/04/2025 20:39

Ah, yes. It is all the fault of the foreigners.

The late 70s/early 80s were pretty bad, and it feels a bit like that time did to me. I think black people might have been held to blame for the state of the UK back then. And single mothers. Oh, and Kurdish refugees.

There is always some sort of scapegoat held up for the thickies to blame. It works, sadly.

Edited

It's not the fault of the individuals it's the fault of policy which supports the industry of funnelling taxes into private landlords' pockets and simultaneously driving up property prices far beyond the reach of most of the country's workers. All we pretty much do is work and pay basic bills now, that's why business isn't growing because very few people are able to spend on anything other than a roof and food. There are other factors too but housing/rent is the one all-encompassing issue.

Giggorata · 08/04/2025 20:49

I don't think it is scapegoating immigrants to point out that there are large numbers of unskilled single young men entering the Uk illegally, month after month, who are then housed at great expense in local authority accommodation and hotels. LAs are struggling with social care as it is.
That isn't immigration
Immigrants who come here to integrate into our culture and make a positive contribution are great assets to the UK.
Unfortunately there are those who detest everything about the West and want things like their own legal system and systems, instead of conforming to British laws and customs, which isn't appropriate.

lovemycbf · 08/04/2025 20:48

SallyWD · 08/04/2025 17:37

Yep, it's true. I'm currently in another European country which is supposedly much poorer than the UK. However, I'm struck by just how smart and healthy everyone is, how clean and smart the towns and shops are.
I feel like there's an air of menace in the UK. Somany aggressive people who you can imagine kicking off if you look at them the wrong way, or accidentally knock into them. I'm not talking about immigrants.
Here in this other country in Europe, I feel completely safe. People seem kind and gentle. Not aggressive like many Brits.

That really resonates with me “an air of menace” it’s completely correct, no one dares say anything to others bad behaviour as you’ll likely unleash really aggressive behaviour
such a sad situation as a country.
where I work there’s a small express supermarket opposite and I can watch all day long people just blatantly shoplifting young and old alike and staff and told not to intervene it must make morale very low

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