I don't understand how this is manslaughter and not murder

Exactly what I thought. Very upsetting.

Many people know exactly who they are. Their names have been on social media sites for months.

Leicester is obviously a large city but the area that the two killers are from is a shit hole IMO, it's not very nice and never has been. Everyone knows everyone's business and 'outsiders' are rarely welcome.

If you're from the area then yes you'd already know them / have heard of them but SM allows their names to be spread around so quickly.

I'm local to this area and if you want to see the problem go onto any Leicestershire Live post on FB and look at the comments. Anything that could be blamed on anyone with brown skin is, to the point the page deliberately posts items that they know will incite hatred for the clicks.

Is it any wonder that local kids are seeing that as the rhetorical then thinking it's OK to act like this?

I really hope that they're named and their families don't get a free pass to carry on life as normal whilst the victims family are reminded of their loss every single day.

Horrific this is what gentle parenting gets u I guess their mum's must be proud as punch these two should be locked up named shamed n key thrown away that poor man

I'm amazed that people who weren't in court, aren't legal experts and don't know all the details seem to think they know what the verdict should have been.

That's not what the law says. Your view is irrelevant to the law.

As you admit, you don't know the details or what was said in court, so I don't know why you question the verdict.

Hope someone sorts the little shits out when they are properly detained.

That poor man.

The CPS and the defence often reach an agreement where they will reduce a charge eg from murder to manslaughter if the defendant pleads. They cannot guarantee a specific sentence but they can reduce the charge. That's a plea bargain.

Yes we do

What on earth are you banging on about?!

And we don’t have plea bargaining in this country

There is no such thing as a plea bargain in the English criminal system. Prosecutors have no power to make sentencing recommendations.

Two wonderful specimens of the human race.

I’m sure they’d have turned into productive, hard working members of our society, if it hadn’t been for this ‘unfortunate’ incident 🙄

At the risk of sounding like a Daily Fail opinion piece, it scares the shit out of me that ‘we’ are producing so many of these feckless and violent kids. I’d be unsurprised if their family members, having seen and heard all the evidence in court, STILL think that their progeny should have been let off or that the poor victim deserved it. The two picked up their racism from someone.

Just read it and there was a trial so no plea bargain...

Murder requires intent to kill, or to commit serious bodily harm. So of you intend to seriously hurt someone and they die as a result of that, it's murder - even if you didn't actually intend to kill them.

I don't know the details of this case. If they pleaded guilty then they probably did some kind of plea bargain ie CPS drop the charge from murder to manslaughter on understanding that they admit to it and plead guilty.

You clearly aren't thinking straight.

These are 13 and 15 year old children. They have been convicted of manslaughter. They will get a custodial sentence. I think it's a dreadful travesty that this has happened. Everyone loses.

I wouldn't want to give the children personal notoriety by advertising their names. To me, it serves no purpose.

Save the space for speaking about the victim. For his family, friends and community.

She can't, unless she lives locally and knows who they are. All the rest of us know at the moment is that they racially abused Mr Kohli, which suggests they are a different ethnicity, but not necessarily white.

I don't know if it's a question of age - I would have assumed the younger they are, the more ignorant of life, and there is more hope for change? - but I can't see how the woman in your story has any prospects of becoming a civilised member of society.

But is it really punishment...

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But is it really punishment...

How do you know they are white?

I have some sympathy with your view. By your colleagues logic there is no point in having a judicial system because being convicted and sentenced doesn't undo any crime.

I met a young woman who had participated in an attack which killed someone when she was 15 or 16. The other participants were 3 boys, they were all convicted and given custodial sentences. 5 years after the offence she showed no remorse and still thought it was funny. I'm unconvinced about the possibility of rehabilitating offenders who commit crimes of extreme violence at a very young age.

It is murder, and there isn't remorse. They are clearly more concerned about their freedom and what it means for them. Individuals that show this level of violence don't change over night because they've been arrested. They're guilty and their names should be out there. This poor lovely man, my heart breaks for his family. What world do we live in that people can be so cruel, so evil, nevermind children. One day they will he elderly and I hope if they make it to an old age, their crime haunts them every time they look in the mirror.

Edited to say, this was a vulnerable elderly man, who they knew wouldn't stand a chance. They had no regard for human life and didn't care if he lived or died. They took his life while laughing. It is murder. The case makes me feel sick.

That’s slightly incorrect - it’s intent to kill or to cause grievous bodily harm.