To think it doesn't always start at home?

I think it does still start at home, but the job of instilling respect is made harder by access to social media and chat groups. Plus more households where both parents are working longer hours or two jobs to make ends meet, meaning they are home less. I also agree that the whole "child centric" stuff has gone too far in some places - children's feelings need to be considered but that doesn't mean that they always trump everyone else

And lostcat has just shown us exactly what is wrong with the kids of today.

Jesus Christ I am not asking the three year old to stand but to sit on his/her parent’s lap, which is a pretty normal position for a small child. It’s not for me but for adults who may find it harder to stand and also don’t have the option of sitting on someone else, as a small child travelling with an also seated parent does. Does that help?

This

Jesus Christ a three year old doesn’t need to forgo their need to sit for you.

It was a rarity 30 years ago, not the norm and being tested is no excuse whatsoever.

This crappy behaviour and lack of respect for teachers, any authority, is learnt at home. Ttoo many parents just don’t want to parent because it’s hard work having to deal with the fallout and behaviour when you say no.

Kids did not speak like that to teachers 30 years ago. I have been teaching for nearly thirty years and things were different when I started out.

Kids spoke like that to teachers when I was at school 30+ years ago- they did get in trouble for it though. We didn't get in trouble for forgetting a ruler though and had a third of the homework they get now. And we weren't constantly measured and tested from age 5.

Yes.

I had a stand off a few months ago in a shopping centre. I was walking up some stairs carrying a couple of heavy bags of shopping to the car park. Two teenage girls were coming down the stairs. They refused to move to the other side of the stairwell for me. I had a similar situation with DD the other day and DD (who is 10) was horrified.

But I supsect, from when they were toddlers, their parents were expecting everyone else to move for THEM. You see it often these days - toddlers running riot and the parents smiling indulgently. Not ALL, not at all, but enough that you can see how it then filters through as these children get older.

I was thinking about this in a crowded train the other day when a three year old who could have easily sat on the knee of their mum seated next to them had their own seat, which just wouldn’t have happened when I was a kid. For better or worse kids learn very early that they don’t need to defer to adults/that their needs are more important. And it definitely has consequences.

do honestly that should have said!

Learning respect does start at home, but also self respect and self confidence starts at home. These rude aggressive mouthy kids don't have any of the above, they are desperate to impress their peers, desperate to intimidate anyone in authority, because it gives them some kind of attention or sense of power that they feel they lack.

So I don't honestly believe it all comes back to home environment and parenting (or lack of).

Horrifying. I experience the same as a manager in a workplace where the
majority of our new starters are school leavers.

they are aghast at being told they can’t wear slippers in the office and that they’re expected to be in their seats by 9am.

try and address persistent lateness or attitude concerns with them and they immediately accuse you of bullying

Tis the internet
and telly
Too much too young
Lota of content like that: it is presented as a “joke” but in reality it’s rude and disrespectful but kids who are now just growing up haven’t seen enough of anything different prior to understand the difference

This is one that I think actually DOES start at home. Culturally and socially, there's a real lack of respect for authority. In an effort to empower people and treat everyone more equally - which is a good thing - it's too often been warped to mean that lots of people think they can do whatever they like, whenever they like.

Similarly, as our society has moved to one that is more child centric and takes children's feelings and needs far more into account (vs the bare minimum) again, this is broadly a good thing. But it had gone too far in certain situations so some parents start to think that means no one has the right to tell their child off (and the child quickly learns to agree with this) and poor behaviour is excused.

If not at home, where do you think they've picked this up?

I hear parents talk shockingly to their kids /to others in front of the kids (either in person or on the phone). It's nothing I like I remember from my childhood but I live in a very different area from the one I grew up in.

Whereabouts is this ? Location ish

And is this an inner city school ?