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ZigZagJigsaw · 07/04/2025 13:22

A colleague who voted for Brexit has just been informed she has no right to emigrate to the Netherlands with her family. The reason she wants to move there is because she says NL have a better healthcare system than the U.K. Her youngest child (teenager) is highly dependent on the NHS and apparently that would disqualify them, unless they agreed to not use the public health care system.

The above would apply even if the NL classed my colleague and her husband as highly skilled, which they don’t. British nationals are now classed as third country nationals so they have to relocate as highly skilled immigrants. No more free movement after Brexit.

She’s trying to be exactly the same kind of economic migrant to the NL that she voted to keep out of the U.K. And for some reason doesn’t seem to see the link.

I’m just nodding politely at work but I had to come and vent somewhere.

AIBU to think “you brought this on yourself”?

OP posts:
MrsSkylerWhite · 09/04/2025 10:05

I think you’re doing very well to hold your tongue.

What did she expect?

Kittykatmoo · 09/04/2025 10:03

I usually don't comment, but I lived in the Netherlands, and no, the health system is not better than here, and it would very hard for her to get the help she needs.

Brefugee · 09/04/2025 10:00

SalfordQuays · 08/04/2025 22:12

Not in my experience. As a GP we have many new patients who have moved here from European countries and have multiple medical problems. Their first appointment consists of them asking for referral to several hospital specialists for their ongoing conditions. Just last week the elderly parents of a Slovakian patient moved here, and have had 6 outpatient referrals between them.

OP it seems unfair that your colleague can’t move to an EU country, when people from EU countries move here all the time.

ok so that seems to be a UK problem - i have been told that i (and i have citizenship) can't move back to UK and start claiming benefits, and i can't access the NHS. I wrote to my MP to ask because my mum is getting older and more frail by the month. It would be an option for me to move back for a while.

So - there is more to their story than just rolling up and claiming.

Part of the problem is, of course, that the UK is too daft to implement proper checks and issue ID cards, or even health service cards. It's a "you" problem in other words. (collective rather than individual "you")

However. I have also checked if my mum could move here and still get healthcare. The answer seems to be, there are hoops, but you will be able to jump them because you have been here a long time and have "paid in". You can also, of course, take your UK pension(s) and have them paid anywhere in the world you like. They are frozen at the point you move away though and no increases applied.

Without knowing everyone's detailed backgrounds, it is nearly impossible to say who can move where and when.

But again: if other countries manage to keep within the EU rules, the UK could too. They chose not to in many respects.

TheyNotLikeUs · 09/04/2025 09:38

In the hospitality industry, now the Europeans have left, you see dark faces in roles which wasn't the case before.

So, for example, the other day, the barista was wearing a headscarf. I think this is great, we had a nice chat.

Bet the Brexiteers didn't think that one through!

UnderTheCover · 09/04/2025 09:16

You are a saint for shutting up OP. I wouldn't be able to refrain from a passive aggressive "oh dear Brexit hasn't worked out as well as some hoped, has it ....".

What an act of self sabotage it was. And we all live with the consequences.

FeetLikeFlippers · 09/04/2025 09:07

YANBU. She sounds like an entitled and ignorant cow. I wish you had enabled the voting on this post, I’d be interested to see the result!

ButterCrackers · 09/04/2025 08:10

notatinydancer · 09/04/2025 05:36

You can spend 90/180 in Europe , I do it.

All the Brits with property in Spain and Portugal who voted for Brexit and now can’t spend all their time sunning themselves - the idiots got what they voted for. The complaining is British superiority at its finest.

TeenLifeMum · 09/04/2025 07:45

@Mayana1
googling can you emigrate to Australia if you have autism:

Emigrating to Australia with a disability, including autism, can be challenging due to Australia's strict health requirements for visas, which may lead to denial if the applicant is deemed to pose a significant cost to the healthcare system.

TeenLifeMum · 09/04/2025 07:42

Mayana1 · 09/04/2025 03:03

Can you tell me please who would not allow her? The UK government? The Australian government?

It was the Australian government - she was English and the family wanted to emigrate to Australia. This was years ago so no idea if it’s still the case.

SamanthaJayneFrances · 09/04/2025 07:15

Look what Trump has done in little more than 100 days. Ursula said yesterday she wanted a tariff free trade deal with the US, but stuffed the UK a neighbour out of spite.

The UK does have a free trade deal with the EU. Although you wouldn't think it on this thread as people are suffering terribly. It's like the end of the world.

As for the OP, you shouldn't be allowed to burden another country without contribution.

notatinydancer · 09/04/2025 05:36

TerrifiedPassenger · 07/04/2025 13:25

YANBU

My parents voted brexit and are utterly aghast that they can only spend 90 days in Europe per year now. Plus the visa thing that's coming in, and queues at passport control as they enter for their winter-sun trips.

You can spend 90/180 in Europe , I do it.

beachcitygirl · 09/04/2025 05:23

Bloody idiots. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is racist but every racist voted for Brexit .
If it wasn’t so bloody awful it would be funny. I’m beyond glad that Brexit voters are being hurt. Just devastated that those of us with more than a 1/4 of a brain have to deal with the problems and consequences dealt to us by idiots & racists.

sprungingspring · 09/04/2025 04:51

Inertia · 07/04/2025 14:19

You’re more polite than me. I’d tell her that this is exactly what she voted for .

Me too

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 09/04/2025 04:33

ZigZagJigsaw · 07/04/2025 13:42

I don’t think she thinks she made a mistake, she’s happy that Europeans can’t move here and use our state supplied benefits, healthcare etc. She’s just unhappy that she can’t move to Europe and do the same.

She's a bit hard of thinking 😂/dim?!

I campaigned massively in favour of Europe /against Brexit... The number of brexiteers who expected there to be no downsides for them PERSONALLY is astonishing... The entitlement!

DBSFstupid · 09/04/2025 03:35

BoredZelda · 07/04/2025 14:15

YABU for not calling out her lunacy when she complains. “It’s what you voted for, Janet”

Who's Janet?

Mayana1 · 09/04/2025 03:20

Dontlletmedownbruce · 07/04/2025 14:56

I'm curious, how do you all know who voted for Brexit? (Im not British.) Did people speak very openly about it at the time? I find that quite strange.

I basically just moved to UK in december 2015 and then the referendum happened 7 months after. I worked on Heathrow and saw so many people and came across elderly volunteer in the morning after the referendum. (plenty elderly volunteers work on Heathrow every day). We chatted and I just asked him if he is happy with the result. He said: "Finally we got our country back! Back in the 70s we voted for the fair trade, not for free movements or anything else!"
I think they believed that a day after referendum all the immigrants will just suddenly move back and only UK citizens will stay :-) How limited all the voters were. And most of them were very elderly, could probably not even be around anymore now. The biggest problem was, nobody believed it will actually happen, so plenty of voters against Brexit did not vote, as they were sure it can not happen! But opposite - everyone FOR it, voted, and this is why it did.
But, they did not even have a clue what they are voting for. And then you have those that complain how Europe is. Well, you voted, you swallow it now.

Mayana1 · 09/04/2025 03:03

TeenLifeMum · 07/04/2025 13:30

No idea if it’s still the case but a friend fought for an autism diagnosis for her ds. NHS said he didn’t have it so she went private. The third attempt got her the diagnosis for her dc. Then she tried to emigrate to Australia (because school disagreed with the diagnosis and refused 1-1 tuition so she wanted a better life for dc) and they wouldn’t allow it due to his diagnosis.

Can you tell me please who would not allow her? The UK government? The Australian government?

anon666 · 08/04/2025 23:47

It's all too depressing for words.

Honestly, populism is such an old, well-trodden route. You'd think we'd have learned our lesson. But no. And Reform UK are still alive and well. 🙄

JenniferBooth · 08/04/2025 23:46

SpringerSprockerCocker · 07/04/2025 14:25

Well that's what Boris told them.

He got bitten by an ostrich at a safari park

Blinky21 · 08/04/2025 23:42

I'm not knowingly friends with anyone who voted Brexit. If that was my colleague I'd take great pleasure in reminding her she voted for it

Isinglass20 · 08/04/2025 23:22

I’m wondering just how many people now have dual nationality having researched family history.

The numbers applying to the Italian consulate for example are so large it is virtually impossible to get an interview to complete the application.

Be an interesting question to add to the next census.

hardtocare · 08/04/2025 23:21

yanbu. The Brexit voters are always crosser about the realities of their actions

TheHateIsNotGood · 08/04/2025 23:13

As someone who voted to leave the EU I also would be amused by your colleague and would have to point out that her circumstance was indeed something that we voted for.

Clavinova · 08/04/2025 23:08

TheyNotLikeUs · 08/04/2025 22:52

"Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, but every racist voted for Brexit".

Ah, that was one of the problems - all the lovely remain voters said they welcomed freedom of movement with Turkey. Poor strategy.

ButterCrackers · 08/04/2025 23:06

She tested the system and it rejected her just as she wanted it to. That’s what she voted for.

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