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To expect a driving instructor to ring the doorbell?

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NotTonightDeidre · 07/04/2025 09:15

Just that really. DS missed a driving lesson this morning because he wasn't awake. The driving instructor text him to say he was outside. He didn't call his phone or ring our doorbell.

I get that it's DS' responsibility to be at the lesson, but if it were me I'd just ring/knock when it's a pick up from home.

Is it really that unreasonable to get out of the car & walk 10 steps to the front door?

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Bogginsthe3rd · 08/04/2025 13:27

YABU. Fast asleep when the car go beep beep.

scalt · 08/04/2025 13:25

It's called "piggy backing", using the previous pupil's lesson to pick up the next pupil. It was generally frowned upon. I only did it in emergencies. Male instructors were even told not to wear shorts, because it looked unprofessional.

Many instructors would like to have a small catchment area, but this is sometimes easier said than done.

DazzlingCuckoos · 08/04/2025 12:23

viques · 08/04/2025 11:04

Every driving instructor I know does this, otherwise the instructor is wasting hours of their time returning students to their own homes before driving to pick up the next student.

My Dad used to be a driving instructor and this was very frowned on back then (in the 80s!). It was deemed unprofessional and unethical.

viques · 08/04/2025 11:04

NotTonightDeidre · 08/04/2025 10:41

What?? Since when?? This is more ludicrous than my suggestion that the DI might ring a doorbell.

Every driving instructor I know does this, otherwise the instructor is wasting hours of their time returning students to their own homes before driving to pick up the next student.

NotTonightDeidre · 08/04/2025 10:41

viques · 08/04/2025 09:54

Just a thought, most driving instructors use the first part of a student’s lesson to drive the previous student home. Why should the first student - who presumably made the effort, got themselves up, dressed and ready for their lesson - have to wait around for an idle teen to get up and slouch out of the house unwashed and still with sleep in their eyes.

Hope the instructor got the first student home in a timely fashion to get on with their day, and then enjoyed a short (paid!) break from the excruciating tedium of explaining to 17 year olds that pedestrians are people too.

What?? Since when?? This is more ludicrous than my suggestion that the DI might ring a doorbell.

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viques · 08/04/2025 09:54

Just a thought, most driving instructors use the first part of a student’s lesson to drive the previous student home. Why should the first student - who presumably made the effort, got themselves up, dressed and ready for their lesson - have to wait around for an idle teen to get up and slouch out of the house unwashed and still with sleep in their eyes.

Hope the instructor got the first student home in a timely fashion to get on with their day, and then enjoyed a short (paid!) break from the excruciating tedium of explaining to 17 year olds that pedestrians are people too.

QuillBill · 08/04/2025 08:09

My dd had three driving instructors. (She passed in the end) None of them was ever seen or heard of by the human eye.

All communication was with dd through texts until right at the very end of the experience. Then dd came to the door and said ‘Jason wants to talk to you’ and in he came, jolly as Father Christmas, to talk about test day.

TeaIsNice · 08/04/2025 07:49

get your DS to set his alarm - simple.

legsekeven · 08/04/2025 07:41

Learning to set alarms and wake up to them is a big lesson for teens. He won’t forget this jn a hurry. Honestly my grandad used the expression “well that’s cheap learning for you” and it applies here. Yea the money lost in the short term is annoying but if he helps him in future it’s worth it

Jobs4kids · 08/04/2025 07:33

Sofiewoo · 07/04/2025 09:18

No, it’s the norm for the person to be ready, waiting and keeping an eye out for the instructor.

This. That's what my DD does. She can be bad at remembering and getting up so I make it my responsibility to remind her & ring her in advance if I'm at work since I'm the mug paying for it!

Broadswordcallingdannyboy1 · 08/04/2025 07:16

Juiceinacup · 07/04/2025 09:23

Expensive life lesson for your DS, I bet he won’t do that again!
Maybe if your son is so unreliable, you should take it upon yourself to phone him before his lesson time and chase him out of bed?

He probably will if he's not paying for the lessons!

Serencwtch · 08/04/2025 07:06

NotTonightDeidre · 07/04/2025 09:32

I wouldn't have expected the lesson to extend beyond the finish time & delay others.

DH said he would wake teen. He forgot about the lesson. Had I realised I'd have woken him prior.

DH agrees that it's DS' own fault.

Sometimes we need help. Alarms often don't wake kids/teens. Including smoke alarms too.

Expensive life lesson.

Possibly he doesn't have the maturity to be driving a car in that case.

scalt · 08/04/2025 07:00

I thought nobody on Mumsnet liked anybody ringing doorbells without giving three months' notice anyway. 😀And, something else that always gets Mumsnetters hot and bothered: when I was an instructor, I often asked if I could use their toilets before or after a lesson. (Public toilets in inner London are extremely scarce, especially ones where you can park the car nearby.) Only one pupil ever refused.

More seriously, I don't think it's completely unheard of, driving instructors coming to ring the bell. They always seem to do so on "docu-soaps" about driving instructors. And I think they probably did it more when fewer people had mobile phones, including the instructors themselves.

Here are some of the common sense things I had to tell pupils to do when I was a driving instructor. Some of these were teenagers, but a few young adults as well:

  • Have breakfast before a morning lesson.
  • Don't drink alcohol. (Yes, I had to turn a few pupils away because of this.)
  • Wear sensible shoes, no flip flops, high heels, or Uggs.
  • Bring sunglasses, if you have them. (I kept a cheap pair in the car in summer.)
  • Put sun cream on, if you burn easily. (One or two pupils did get burnt in summer.)
  • Get cash out before the lesson: so many lessons involved stopping by a cash point.

I found that with some teenagers, especially the private school ones, driving was the first time in their lives they'd had to make any decisions. Everything had been micromanaged for them. Also, for some of those who were top in everything at school, failing a driving test was a massive shock: for some, it was the first time they had failed anything.

PearTreeBoat · 08/04/2025 04:25

Well, if an alarm clock, or even a smoke alarm won't wake your teen what makes you think a doorbell would?

At the end of the day if your teen is old enough to be able to learn to drive then they are old enough to get themselves up and ready in time for the lesson that they have presumably booked or at least agreed to.

marsala1 · 08/04/2025 03:55

My driving instructor used to take me to drive-thru maccas.Then we'd drive to a nice park and stop and eat it. Then I'd drive home. I don't think my parents got very good value for money !😆 He smoked most of the lesson and always gave me a ciggie. I failed my first test unsurprisingly, but I was always ready to go on time. ( You can tell it was the 80's.)

Topseyt123 · 07/04/2025 17:45

NotTonightDeidre · 07/04/2025 10:42

Not sure how long he waited.

Yes, the instructor still got paid (payment is up front)

DS is usually reasonably responsible. He has a part time job & doing A-levels.

I didn't say it wasn't his fault. I just said I thought the instructor might have rung the bell. I would if it were me. Evidently this is not the case.

DS doesn't know my thoughts, DH has spoken to him & told him he messed up and to learn from it.

It has never been the case that driving instructors come to ring the doorbell. Not in general. Just see the replies from those of us who learned to drive 30 - 40 years ago.

They wait outside and you are expected to be there ready and waiting so that the lesson can get underway. If you have arranged for them to pick you up elsewhere at a given time (like from school) then you are also expected to be ready and waiting there too.

I hope DS has been told that he will be the one out of pocket for the missed lesson. That way he might learn to get up on time and not fart about.

brettsalanger · 07/04/2025 15:02

this is why many teens are so utterly useless these days. Stop making excuses for him. He should have been awake and ready for the lesson.

DazzlingCuckoos · 07/04/2025 14:55

SALaw · 07/04/2025 11:39

If alarms including smoke alarms don’t wake him how would a doorbell?

This is a very good point.

Also, presuming he's a 17/18 year old, there's every chance that even if he did hear the doorbell, his brain would go straight to "not my job to answer that".

Re the suggestion upthread of there being no harm in the DI knocking, I suspect if he's an experienced DI, he'll have learned a hard lesson from doing that. Give people an inch and they'll take a mile. Knock on the door once and you'll then be knocking every time because it's now your responsibility to go and collect the learner, rather than the learner being ready and waiting.

Teachers don't wander around secondary schools collecting children from wherever they are. Students are expected to learn where they're supposed to be and when. This is no different IMO.

ClairDeLaLune · 07/04/2025 14:51

Good grief. There really is no hope for the future of humanity! People need to take responsibility for their own commitments. You’re just enabling him with your attitude OP. I hope he paid for the lesson.

Lampzade · 07/04/2025 14:50

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 07/04/2025 12:59

@ANDisayWhatsGoingon

I am speaking generally about the types of posts commonly posted here where people blame everyone and everything before stopping, for a short second, to think where the responsibility lies.

Teachers (not parents) generally get blamed (I'm a retired teacher) for the behaviour of children when it's completely the responsibility of parents to teach manners and responsibility to their own children before they attend a school setting. Schools used to do orientation meetings for parents which detailed what to expect from school staff and conversely what school staff expect from parents and children, as the relationship between schools and families is supposed to be mutually beneficial. I'm sure these still happen as both my daughters have attended them recently. So things such as being toilet trained, holding and using cutlery, having tissues or handkerchief and being able to blow/wipe your own nose, putting on coats and shoes, getting changed for PE, following instructions,
concentrating for periods of more than 10 minutes, saying - please thank you good morning goodbye. Being able to hold bladder until break times so parts of lesson not missed, saving time having to explain tasks again. Not turning up late. Reading books with your children. All little things that save time so that maximum teaching time can be achieved - therefore benefitting all the children.

Generally speaking, nowadays, today's parents (using all the cliches I can think of) expect other people, mainly teachers, to do these things for them. In other words, avoiding parenting and expecting other people to teach key life skills to their children.

The cliche, trotted out on bullying threads, 'my kid (goat?) ain't no angel (usually spelled angle) but ....' No one gives birth to angels. Behaviour is mainly learned from adults who should be modelling acceptable behaviours. At parents evenings, the behaviour of the child is always explained from how the parent/parents present.

My granddaughter's class have a day of going to school in PE kit because it must have taken the children most of the lesson to get changed into kit and then allowing same amount of time to get changed back - possibly only got 10 min slot for a lesson after needing adults to help 30 children change twice. Same class has six children in nappies (reception) - not talking about ND children (but having said that all 6 of my grandchildren are ND and were all dry at 24 months due to first grandchild's mum having the Oh Crap toilet training book and reading about the theory behind toilet training (which includes some ND studies, excluding physical issues). My generation were toilet trained by 18 months due to the faff of terry nappies, my children were trained at 2 so they could be left at playgroups/pre school who had rules about not being left until dry. This generation are being left until the children feel that they are ready - Oh no! They had three accidents before lunch - OMG I can't be bothered with all this mopping and my car seat is piss wet through, go back to pull ups they're not ready!

Children should be taught to be independent age appropriately. I attended an infant and then junior school - no one had a parent taking them or meeting them when school finished after the age of seven as children walked themselves to and from school in the juniors.

It also seems that today's parents can't even think about getting to school without carrying hot drinks in various containers and walking multiple dogs, at the same time as continually speaking to someone on their phones, instead of having conversations with their children, generally speaking. Parents parking in places outside school when they've repeatedly been asked not to. Parents monopolising teacher's time before and after school when they've repeatedly been asked not to as there are multiple other ways of instantly getting messages directly to teaching and office staff. Parents barging past teachers and physically hanging up their children's coats for them and accompanying their children into class despite being continually asked not to, in order to encourage independence. It's what I generally observe - I take grandchildren to school every day and it's more common than not. I'm not including perfect people such as you or other perfect people. Just speaking generally. It's a topic repeatedly turning up on public forums which parents take no notice of and do not learn from.

That's why OP's son couldn't be bothered to get out of his pit for a pre arranged appointment - no responsibility and no respect from a very young age.

I still blame the parents.

Grumpy old cliches like me are allowed to generalise and use cliches about the 'yoof' of today - as they always have done.

There are many elements of 'troof' in generalisations/cliches.

All of this

friendlycat · 07/04/2025 14:44

Well said @ myothercar

rainbowstardrops · 07/04/2025 13:42

My daughter’s instructor never rang the doorbell or even text her. The only time he rang her, was when he was running late. She knew what time her lesson was and as she was old enough to learn to drive, she was also old enough to make sure she was up and ready!
The instructor text to say he was outside. That’s more than enough!

BrickHedgehog · 07/04/2025 13:42

We have been through a few instructors with ours and none have rung the bell , someone in the house just keeps lookout when it’s lesson time . Thankfully finished with it now .

TubeScreamer · 07/04/2025 13:36

EmmaEmEmz · 07/04/2025 12:54

If he is old enough to be having driving lessons, he's old enough to make sure he's up, dressed and ready for when the driving instructor pulls up.

This

Krest · 07/04/2025 13:30

Yes it probably is a little annoying that the driving instructor didnt just ring the bell but the lesson probably still would have been missed if he was unable to wait for your DS to get ready. And honestly, its probably not wise for someone to be taking a driving lesson when they just woke up, all groggy and bleary eyed.

Nothing you can really do about it.