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Trump having his Liz Truss moment

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Shwish · 07/04/2025 09:03

That's what the BBC is saying. Does that mean there might be a way to get rid of him? Obviously not by the likes of me (I'm in the UK) but if the majority of the US voters come round to the realisation that he's potentially causing the next Great Depression?
I don't really understand US politics so I'm probably wrong but I think he has "absolute power" at the moment. Is that right? He can't be got rid of in a vote of no confidence sort of way like happened here?

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StandFirm · 07/04/2025 11:11

AnnPerkins · 07/04/2025 10:55

Almost every Republican is terrified of Trump standing a Maga loyalist against them at the midterms so won't step out of line. They actually choose to be associated with him and his policies rather than risking losing their seat.

If public opinion turned against Trump in a big way - if there were more results like the Wisconsin mayoral race last week which the Republicans lost despite Musk spending $21m on buying votes - maybe they will find a spine and start speaking out against him and Vance.

Don't hold your breath though.

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Yes, the whole 'I'll primary you' tactic has been working. The real test is whether those Republicans will stand up for their true values when it matters most. Or whether will it be too late by then.

GasPanic · 07/04/2025 10:57

Shwish · 07/04/2025 10:17

Obviously if it's still what the Americans want then there is no question of him going. But it seems likely that the public will realise it ISN'T what they actually want when they start feeling it in their wallets, surely? In that circumstance is there anything that can be done? Sounds like no.

Surely any government that implements tax rises then is doing something the public doesn't actually want, as they will feel it in their wallets ?

Sounds like Starmers time might be up soon by that reasoning.

AnnPerkins · 07/04/2025 10:55

Almost every Republican is terrified of Trump standing a Maga loyalist against them at the midterms so won't step out of line. They actually choose to be associated with him and his policies rather than risking losing their seat.

If public opinion turned against Trump in a big way - if there were more results like the Wisconsin mayoral race last week which the Republicans lost despite Musk spending $21m on buying votes - maybe they will find a spine and start speaking out against him and Vance.

Don't hold your breath though.

LlynTegid · 07/04/2025 10:53

President Trump's power could be curtailed come November 2026 if the Democrats make large gains in the mid term elections, but even that is not a Liz Truss moment. I am not sure who it is more unfair to by making the comparison.

I know the BBC like to treat everyone as simpletons, but they should at least be accurate.

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 07/04/2025 10:52

Ihatework27 · 07/04/2025 10:41

There's a glimmer of hope. He'll be 79 in June. He's obese and has coronary artery disease. Maybe one of his apoplectic rages will finish him off.

Maybe we need to all chip in and pay for another Stormy Daniels session for him!

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 07/04/2025 10:51

I think he will change the law so he can pass down the role to his son Barron... like a proper dictatorship.

JHound · 07/04/2025 10:43

StandFirm · 07/04/2025 10:34

Oh no, Vance is an ideologue who personally loathes Europe and liberal democracy because he hasn't sorted out the massive chip on his shoulder. He would be 100x worse than Trump. The worst thing that could happen would be Trump impeached/deposed and Vance stepping in. The only hope for improvement lies in the GOP finding its spine. People like Ted Cruz and Lisa Murkowski speaking out against some of his policies are a good start - but Trump has a tight grip on the party and many pundits who worked under him in Trump 1.0 have been saying there's a lot of intimidation tactics at work.
But yes, the hope lies with the Republicans - regular conservatives who know better. Only they can stop this train.

Everytime I see Vance speak I understand why his mother chose the crack pipe.

Nanny0gg · 07/04/2025 10:43

Ihatework27 · 07/04/2025 10:41

There's a glimmer of hope. He'll be 79 in June. He's obese and has coronary artery disease. Maybe one of his apoplectic rages will finish him off.

Vance would be worse

Nanny0gg · 07/04/2025 10:43

AnticleaAndLaertes · 07/04/2025 10:00

I can't understand how he was allowed to do something with such catastrophic effects - surely there should be checks and balances?

No. Because the Senate and Congress both have Republican majorities

Ihatework27 · 07/04/2025 10:41

There's a glimmer of hope. He'll be 79 in June. He's obese and has coronary artery disease. Maybe one of his apoplectic rages will finish him off.

StandFirm · 07/04/2025 10:34

CreationNat1on · 07/04/2025 09:53

In his first time in office, he had more balanced, genuine advisors. He wasn't expecting to win, was out of his depth and maintained some more neutral, experienced people in the background, who could steer him back on course away from some of his extreme ideas.

TRUMP 2.0 presidency is emboldened by all his handpicked conspiracy theorist Loony, sychophants. It's completely deranged, he has a god complex. He is burning the economy down. It's like a cult.

I wonder if Trump was gone, would Vance put more measured people into positions of power. I think Vance is a bully boy, turn coat snake, but I wonder does he have slightly better acumen than Trump. Would he behave better if he was surrounded by more educated and level headed people?

Oh no, Vance is an ideologue who personally loathes Europe and liberal democracy because he hasn't sorted out the massive chip on his shoulder. He would be 100x worse than Trump. The worst thing that could happen would be Trump impeached/deposed and Vance stepping in. The only hope for improvement lies in the GOP finding its spine. People like Ted Cruz and Lisa Murkowski speaking out against some of his policies are a good start - but Trump has a tight grip on the party and many pundits who worked under him in Trump 1.0 have been saying there's a lot of intimidation tactics at work.
But yes, the hope lies with the Republicans - regular conservatives who know better. Only they can stop this train.

tamade · 07/04/2025 10:29

Shwish · 07/04/2025 09:03

That's what the BBC is saying. Does that mean there might be a way to get rid of him? Obviously not by the likes of me (I'm in the UK) but if the majority of the US voters come round to the realisation that he's potentially causing the next Great Depression?
I don't really understand US politics so I'm probably wrong but I think he has "absolute power" at the moment. Is that right? He can't be got rid of in a vote of no confidence sort of way like happened here?

as others have said just wishful thinking

The majority of adults outside of America and almost half of Americans think he is going to be a disaster. So we get a diet of how this or that action is stupid/wicked/bound to backfire and will be his undoing. But most of it its just talking heads talking.

I think he will serve a full term and things might turn out to be as bad as we are being told they will be. But I am an optimist

AllotmentTime · 07/04/2025 10:24

if the majority of the US voters come round to the realisation that he's potentially causing the next Great Depression?

Your "if" is where this falls down. It will take a MASSIVE attitude change for them to start blaming Trump. It will be everyone's fault but his.

Serpentstooth · 07/04/2025 10:23

America has only one solution for a President out of favour. If the country survives its current incarnation it should take a look at amending it's sacred constitution. It's not working for the people as it should.

MugsyBalonz · 07/04/2025 10:20

JHound · 07/04/2025 10:03

That’s wishful thinking on the part of the Beeb. Much as I think the Orange Manbaby is absolutely incompetent and unqualified he is not going anywhere. His fans love him and his flagrant disregard for the law.

They really do.

People don't seem to realise that a lot of Americans are hugely insular, they don't give a shit about anywhere or anyone that isn't America/American (and often have very narrow ideas about what constitutes a "real" American). They think that the rest of the world heavily relies on America for protection, trade, freedom, etc and that the world therefore owes America a debt of gratitude - a prime example of this attitude in the recent debacle with Zelensky in the Oval Office or the comments about Europe freeloading off America.

It is a country with deep-rooted social issues. Around 28% of adults are functionally illiterate, 54% have literacy skills below a 6th grade level (around that of a 12yr old), around 12% of the population (c.40 million people) didn't even finish high school. There is a basically a large proportion of the population that lacks the critical thinking skills to see through the bullshit peddled by the likes of Trump and will believe whatever they're told. The reason you're badly paid and struggling? Immigrants. Why is your grocery shopping so expensive? Other countries ripping us off. Why is crime so high? Immigrants again. Why aren't I allowed to be racist and homophobic? Liberals. Why are my medical bills bankrupting me? Combination of all of the above. So when the billionaire in the trucker cap claims to be "just like you" and claims he can fix all of it, they vote for him.

Shwish · 07/04/2025 10:17

neverknowinglyunreasonable · 07/04/2025 10:03

Trump said he was going to bring in tariffs. He was elected. He brought in tariffs which have had the impact predicted. On what grounds would people get rid of him?

Obviously if it's still what the Americans want then there is no question of him going. But it seems likely that the public will realise it ISN'T what they actually want when they start feeling it in their wallets, surely? In that circumstance is there anything that can be done? Sounds like no.

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RatedDoingMagic · 07/04/2025 10:11

The american people voted for this. This is what they want. They shall have it in abundance.

The US President isn't the equivalent of a Prime Minister. He is Head of State - more equivalent to a reigning king or queen but with more power than our constitutional monarch has - more like if the Oliver Cromwell version of a republic had lasted, with an elected Head of State holding the power of a monarch but with powers balanced by parliament/congress/HoR etc. He'd be as difficult to get rid of as a monarch. Not impossible.

Bjorkdidit · 07/04/2025 10:11

AnticleaAndLaertes · 07/04/2025 10:00

I can't understand how he was allowed to do something with such catastrophic effects - surely there should be checks and balances?

This. Surely even Republican Senate and House of Representatives (sorry not 100% sure of US politics terminology but the ministers/'policy' type people who are supposed to make the decisions and run the country) would be able to put a stop to the absolute lunacy that's going on plus sense check the utter crap that he's spouting in speeches and on social media.

XWKD · 07/04/2025 10:08

AnticleaAndLaertes · 07/04/2025 10:00

I can't understand how he was allowed to do something with such catastrophic effects - surely there should be checks and balances?

While the Republicans have control of Congress and the Senate, they let him do what he wants. A president isn't all that powerful if they're against him.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 07/04/2025 10:03

AnticleaAndLaertes · 07/04/2025 10:00

I can't understand how he was allowed to do something with such catastrophic effects - surely there should be checks and balances?

Don’t he just overide them?

JHound · 07/04/2025 10:03

Shwish · 07/04/2025 09:03

That's what the BBC is saying. Does that mean there might be a way to get rid of him? Obviously not by the likes of me (I'm in the UK) but if the majority of the US voters come round to the realisation that he's potentially causing the next Great Depression?
I don't really understand US politics so I'm probably wrong but I think he has "absolute power" at the moment. Is that right? He can't be got rid of in a vote of no confidence sort of way like happened here?

That’s wishful thinking on the part of the Beeb. Much as I think the Orange Manbaby is absolutely incompetent and unqualified he is not going anywhere. His fans love him and his flagrant disregard for the law.

neverknowinglyunreasonable · 07/04/2025 10:03

Trump said he was going to bring in tariffs. He was elected. He brought in tariffs which have had the impact predicted. On what grounds would people get rid of him?

Swiftie1878 · 07/04/2025 10:03

He’s more likely to be assassinated than deposed. The American system isn’t set up for there to be dissention.

AnticleaAndLaertes · 07/04/2025 10:00

I can't understand how he was allowed to do something with such catastrophic effects - surely there should be checks and balances?

MadameCholetsDirtySecret · 07/04/2025 10:00

If section 4 of the 25th amendment is implemented, Vance would become president. Tbh I don’t think this would happen unless trump completely collapses mentally. Trump is easy to manipulate, Vance possible not so much.