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To have cut off my friend who stayed in an abusive marriage

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TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 15:28

I had a friend, let’s call her Kate - she met a man about 12 years ago and got pregnant very quickly, after 3 months. They decided to make a go of it, and from about mid-way through her pregnancy I noticed his red flag behaviour. Then things got worse when she had the baby and he moved in. They then had another DD about 2 years later and they got married a few years after that. I could give hundreds of examples of how he was emotionally abusive but here are a few:

  • Kate was “allowed” to come out for drinks with me (I eventually was her only friend as he alienated her from so many people) but only during the day - she had to be back at 6pm so she could do bedtime as he couldn’t cope apparently. I’m not talking babies - this is when their DDs were 6 and 8. One night we were having so much fun we lost track of time and realised it was 6.15pm. She had 9 texts from him saying she had “failed at her task” and “failed as a parent” because “you know that I can’t do bedtimes so the girls are now going to be up really late thanks to you putting yourself first”.
  • She had to go term time only at work because he can’t look after his own children for full days while she works, it triggers his PTSD. Meaning she had a lot less money. He also insisted on keeping their finances seperate, so whilst he stayed full time and would buy £900 TVs and an e scooter, she would have to forgo buying lunch at work because her salary dropped so much.
  • During lockdown, things ramped up - he was beyond nasty and would text her from other rooms of the house saying “Tell those kids to STFU before lose my shit at you all” and “Can you put some clothes on, it makes me want to vomit seeing you in pyjamas during the day” and “You’d better be doing home schooling with them, if they’re then out to be thick kids it will be your fault”. He couldn’t home schooling apparently, it triggered his PTAD. She would text me these screenshots on a daily basis.
  • One time we went to a local concert, and she decided she’d stay out for a drink after and stand up to him. He wasn’t happy and was demanding she come home but she put her phone in her bag. A few hours later, she checked her phone to find 67 missed calls and the ring doorbell showed paramedics at their door. He called 999 saying he thinks he has sepsis. He didn’t, and they soon left. But he spent months saying the stress she caused by staying out brought on sepsis like symptoms.
  • He’d really have a go at her parenting. All the time. She’s an AMAZING mum, but if she didn’t have things 100% organised (like literally every mum on the planet) he’d go nuts. I was round once and he said “The girls want to go in the garden where are their hats?”. Because she didn’t instantly know and had to look in various cupboards and coat pockets, he really went at her saying “Smart mother you are - don’t even know where their clothes are”. I pointed out “Well neither do you” and the look her gave me terrified me to the point I left after that.
  • Me and her went away with all our kids to a theme park hotel for the night and he was texting her having a go about her parenting - the kids weren’t even there! He’s obsessed with her “failing”. “I gave you a new routine and you failed at it. You left the house 15 minutes after we agreed. FAILED”.
  • Her DDs eventually started treating her like shit. If they wanted her from another room they’d shout “Kate! Get here RIGHT NOW”. She said it’s because that’s how her DH speaks to her and they were copying

I spent a lot of personal time and energy worrying about my friend. I told her from early on to leave him, not to marry him, that’s she can do better and she’s a shell of her former self. Eventually, after another text simply saying “Guess what your latest fail has been? Go on take a guess.” (she forgot to turn the dishwasher on and he had nothing to eat his food on which apparently triggered his PTSD) she told me she wants to leave him. I supported her for the next 3 months. I did all sorts - looked around rentals on her behalf (he was NEVER gonna leave the house of his own accord and she didn’t want police involvement). Researched cheap items to but for a new kitchen. Researched women’s groups and charities that support single mums. Spent hours pouring over her rights and how to claim maintenance and the pitfalls she might encounter. Researching the cheapest forms of divorce. None of this she could do herself in case he checked her phone or caught her.

I did it to the detriment of spending time with my own kids and DH. My DH at this point was supportive but said i was too involved and it’s not my job, and pointed out my friend would post “we are such a happy family” type posts on social media and he assured me “she’s never gonna leave him you’re wasting your time”. We once fell out about it. But I persevered and was determined to get her out of there.

My uncle is a landlord and I asked him a favour to rent her a 2 bed property for a while at a cheap rate until she could find something more suitable. He agreed, letting down the person he promised it to. I was grateful and my friend was delighted she had a place to escape to.

A week before she was due to move in (she’d signed a tenancy agreement) she asked to meet me for lunch. She told me that I had been encouraging her to leave her husband for too long, pushing her into doing it and she didn’t like it and I was to stop. Because she loved him and wasn’t leaving. I asked her if her DH was making her say these things and she said “no”. I’m not sure if this is true. She said we can still be friends but I have to stop this “vendetta” against her DH.

A few days later, still heartbroken, I decided I’d had enough and her marriage had imposed too much on my own life. With DH’s support I texted her to say I couldn’t be her friend anymore. She had gaslighted me, and taken me for granted and she was on her own. I then blocked her on everything and haven’t seen her since. Luckily my uncle was v understanding and didn’t pursue her for her contractual obligations.

That was 3 years ago. I don’t talk about it because I feel so bruised emotionally from it and I tell people we drifted apart. We then moved away shortly after that (for different reasons) which made the cut-off easier.

Anyway caught up with my mum today and she said “You haven’t spoken about Kate in ages. You used to mention her all the time”. I told her the whole story.

I’ve come away feeling sick with guilt. My mum made me feel really awful - said I shouldn’t have given up on my friend and I should have bided my time before bringing it up again. That “That poor woman and those 2 girls are stuck with that vile man and you’re doing nothing about it”. My mum was in an abusive marriage (albeit a violent one as well) and said “so called friends like me” who bolted when her stories became too much are people she will never forgive or forget. That of you know bad things are happening it’s your obligation to stop them, and I gave up too soon.

FWIW. DH looks now and again on social media and Kate and her DH are still together.

I now feel so guilty and confused and second guessing my decision I was otherwise so sure about for 3 years. Please tell me MN honestly - WIBU to cut Kate off? Should I try and reach out to her? My mum gave me a new perspective and I honestly feel sick with what I did.

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Guitaryo · 06/04/2025 17:46

ReadingSoManyThreads · 06/04/2025 17:40

No, her mother is NOT a nasty woman to say that. Her mother survived a violent man, just like I did, and I'll never forget my best friend at the time who refused to set foot in my house when I was trying to separate from him because "I don't want to get involved". I wasn't asking her to, I just wanted to be able to have support from a friend, but she wouldn't even come into my house when he wasn't even there.

You don't forget things like that when you are living in utter hell.

To call this woman's mother nasty after her own experience of living with DV is shameful of you.

So the opposite of what OP had been doing then? Truth is when you are friends with someone in this situation the friendship does inevitably revolve around their relationship; it is draining especially when you're being encouraged to support them in leaving and then they don't. It's understandable they don't, also understandable why people have to draw their own boundaries within their friendships.

Potsofpetals · 06/04/2025 17:44

Halltablewithmarble · 06/04/2025 16:48

Sorry, but this isn’t true. I was her and I left, eventually, with the support of my friends who stuck by me. I literally legged it in the middle of the night with a suitcase. Coercive control and abuse are insidious, it becomes your new “normal”. But I did leave and I never looked back.
That said op, I don’t blame you at all for what you did. I get it, with hindsight I can absolutely see, to my friends, I was honestly a nightmare. I was so gaslit and controlled, I didn’t know which way was up. He was so convincing, so totally in control that, despite the fact that he was, frankly, an abusive, aggressive, pathetic tosser, I blamed myself. When I look back I can scarcely believe it.
Since I got out, I’ve recovered and I’ve reconnected with some of those friends who felt they needed to step away. I don’t blame them at all.
Would I cut off a friend in that situation? No. But only because I’ve been there.

It is true because it was me. I did to people exactly what this woman’s friend did to her. Gaslighting, getting people to help me plan then not following through. Blaming others when I didn’t have the guts to leave. Just because you eventually got out doesn’t mean we all do. I escaped eventually but it wasn’t because I packed a bag and ran away.

Livpool · 06/04/2025 17:41

YANBU

What are you supposed to do - drag her out?!

You did what you could and she stayed - she has made her choice

ReadingSoManyThreads · 06/04/2025 17:40

Streaaa · 06/04/2025 15:38

You were an incredible friend who did so much for her, beyond what most would do.
Your mother is a very nasty woman to say that to you.
Step back from her too, take real space from her.
What was your childhood like?
I suspect you have had a very hard time.
Time to put yourself firmly first.

No, her mother is NOT a nasty woman to say that. Her mother survived a violent man, just like I did, and I'll never forget my best friend at the time who refused to set foot in my house when I was trying to separate from him because "I don't want to get involved". I wasn't asking her to, I just wanted to be able to have support from a friend, but she wouldn't even come into my house when he wasn't even there.

You don't forget things like that when you are living in utter hell.

To call this woman's mother nasty after her own experience of living with DV is shameful of you.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 06/04/2025 17:40

TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 17:27

Yes exactly this - though I do reckon I’d have backed off a bit, but it’s the way she went about it that really really hurt, like vomit-inducing hurt.

Not to make you feel worse OP but it'll probably always hurt to some degree, although not as much as it does now.

The loss of the person I knew feels like a grief, even though they are still alive but I recognise now that neither the person they were nor out friendship is going to come back. Despite all best efforts the situation has burnt it. And it hurts and probably always will do, but it's a hurt that I'm learning to live with.

Miaowzabella · 06/04/2025 17:39

TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 16:12

Im going to say something pretty awful - but I want to be totally candid. the reason taking option 3 continued to feel right after I was over the initial shock is because the friendships I made shortly after were more fun, lighter, less angst and worry and I really enjoyed that aspect of my life. For 8 years my main friendship was steeped in really horrible details and pain and heartache. Kate and I did laugh still but it was an ever reducing irregular occurrence hidden amongst all the other discussions about her nasty DH. To be able to meet up with friends and just have a really good giggle and share our much more pleasant lives was like a breath of fresh air I never knew I needed.

I know how awful that sounds. Women who are DV victims deserve good friendships but my emotional resources were really depleted.

There is nothing awful about that. Friendships are supposed to enhance your life.

Orangemintcream · 06/04/2025 17:38

I would not have continued to be her outlet no.

It’s not fair to you.

I would have possibly left the door open and said if she ever leaves him then she can contact you and you will support her.

But I would not continue to try to help or support her as it’s not for you to do.

SuperTrooper14 · 06/04/2025 17:36

I suspect during that final lunch you got the brunt of everything she wished she could say to her DH but daren't. It wasn't you she saw sitting there, it was him, which is why she gave it to you with both barrels.

I don't know that I'd have walked away entirely knowing how bad it was for her, but then I'm not you. None of us are, including your mum. I had a friend who took 10 years to leave her abusive DH – coercive control, gaslighting – and she boomeranged many times until she finally did it but none of her friends were involved at the level you were.

SpidersAreShitheads · 06/04/2025 17:33

TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 17:12

With the greatest of respect I was there - she did gaslight me. Whether it was through coercion, or it was unconscious, it was gaslighting. Proved after when I looked back at messages that explicitly showed her desperation to want to leave him. It made me feel like total shit.

I felt like shaking her “See look - you’re wrong, you lied and here’s the evidence” would have been pointless and cruel. I also didn’t want to participate in pretending she was right.

If that lunch she’d said “I appreciate all your help but now isn’t the right time for X Y Z reason” it would probably have been different. But I felt I didn’t deserve to be anyone’s emotional punching bag

That's still not gaslighting though. Dictionary definition attached.

Yes, she's not being honest with you about what's transpired but it's because she can't face the truth, not because she was trying to manipulate you. Gaslighting is the deliberate insistence that something is true when it isn't, or the reverse, for the purpose of manipulating and/or controlling another person.

I completely understand your frustration at history being rewritten - but it's what I said above re being too black and white when it comes to abuse. Victims of abuse find it difficult to face the reality of their situation for all kinds of complicated reasons, but not because they're gaslighting you.

Gaslighting has become such a buzzword, and half the time it's used completely out of context. In this example, unfairly so.

Reading through all your posts OP and your reference to your mum being in abusive relationships, it probably explains your need to rescue your friend and your insistence on seeing things in such black-and-white terms.

I said before that I wouldn't have cut her off and I stand by that. But your latest comment about her never asking about your circumstances or showing any interest in your life would be a game-changer for me. I've supported friends through really difficult life circumstances but if there's no care shown towards me, even if they can't practically help, then what's the point in the friendship?!

What was she like before this relationship - was she always self-absorbed? Or do you think living under constant abuse has made her act that way? Not that it matters now, just interesting I guess.

To have cut off my friend who stayed in an abusive marriage
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Guitaryo · 06/04/2025 17:32

Chungai · 06/04/2025 17:08

I am 95% sure her DH was behind the gaslighting

Just noticed this which just makes it even more sad.

Your poor ex friend and her DDs.

It's not OPs cross to bear though.

OP it sounds like you did all you could, it was right to consider your wellbeing too and do what you needed to. It's unfortunate that she was evidently trapped with this abusive man, but it's not your responsibility to save her or stick around.

Twiglets1 · 06/04/2025 17:31

Option 2 wouldn't have worked.

Option 1 would have been a lie and fake.

Option 3 was the only way to keep your integrity. You did what you could but at the end of the day, she sabotaged your friendship and her own future happiness.

You sound like you were a really good friend to her but in the end, YANBU to have cut her off.

TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 17:27

PeachesPeachesPeachesPeachesPeaches · 06/04/2025 17:10

For those asking why it had to be all or nothing…

I’d bet OP would have remained friends with her if she had turned around and said “it’s too hard, I can’t do it right now, thank you for everything you’ve done to support me”

Instead she completely gaslit OP and was extremely unkind about everything the OP had done to help her. I couldn’t stay friends with someone who did that to me when I had done so much to try to help them.

Yes exactly this - though I do reckon I’d have backed off a bit, but it’s the way she went about it that really really hurt, like vomit-inducing hurt.

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flamethrowerofdoom · 06/04/2025 17:27

You know, it's perfectly possible that your friend is inherently selfish and not a good friend AND is in an abusive relationship. The two arent mutually exclusive.

It's not as if every person in an abusive dynamic is kind and gentle and lovely - abusive relationships can happen to anyone. Your friend sounds very selfish despite her awful situation. I think you did the right thing in blocking her. You clearly have enough on your plate as it is and she doesnt seem to care.

Minecraftvsroblox · 06/04/2025 17:26

TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 17:21

At the risk of drip feeding another (much smaller) factor in my deciding to cut Kate off completely is, for a year (my DH had picked on my anxiety when returning from seeing Kate) when I returned from being with her my DH would ask “Has she asked after you/[insert significant life event happening here including my child’s illness at one point]/asked how you are?” I said no every time

He was gently trying to tell me the friendship was one sided, and I I didn’t think I minded but having healthier two sided friendships since made me realise what I missed out on.

My mum was like that complained about my dad but she would never leave him. There is a fine line between love and hate Kate probably still loved her husband and that's why she was torn. She probably told him the plans to see what reaction she would get. My mum was like that she played her family against my dad and she never left him. You did the right thing leaving her to it she didn't want to leave she wanted him to change.

Aworldofwonder · 06/04/2025 17:25

Streaaa · 06/04/2025 15:38

You were an incredible friend who did so much for her, beyond what most would do.
Your mother is a very nasty woman to say that to you.
Step back from her too, take real space from her.
What was your childhood like?
I suspect you have had a very hard time.
Time to put yourself firmly first.

All of this. OP you did enough.

TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 17:24

plumlipstick · 06/04/2025 16:52

I suspect the reason you reacted like this and why it upset you so much was because the two of you were never really in an "equal" friendship. You were the in the role of therapist/saviour and she was in the role of victim - hence why you tried so hard to rescue/help her and why its been so devastating to realise that she rejected your help.

You even said you tried to help her to the detriment of your own family. I think you need to take a step back and really consider why you felt the need to do this from an objective, non-judgemental point of view. I say this without any judgement at all but think about why you felt the need to rescue so badly. Is that a childhood script? do you feel that it is actually you who are the one who has "failed" here because you were unable to get her out of this situation? I think thats worth exploring and it might be why your mother's unkind words triggered you in such an emotional way.

You have been a good friend but you arent responsible for her life - all you can ever do as a friend is support someone and take a step back when helping them is starting to affect you negatively. You never have to help someone to the detriment of your own family - that is not right and it's not appropriate. I would have a think about this before you make any decisions in the future regarding rekindling this friendship. It's always kind to support a friend but there have to be boundaries in place, otherwise this is the kind of aftermath that can happen.

I suspect if you hadn't felt such a need to rescue you wouldnt feel so utterly burnt out now.

You’re probably right - if I was an armchair psychology’s I’d say I couldn’t save my mum from shitty men so I’ve tried to save my friend and it blew up in my face. Fucking men Angry

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TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 17:21

At the risk of drip feeding another (much smaller) factor in my deciding to cut Kate off completely is, for a year (my DH had picked on my anxiety when returning from seeing Kate) when I returned from being with her my DH would ask “Has she asked after you/[insert significant life event happening here including my child’s illness at one point]/asked how you are?” I said no every time

He was gently trying to tell me the friendship was one sided, and I I didn’t think I minded but having healthier two sided friendships since made me realise what I missed out on.

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coolcahuna · 06/04/2025 17:20

No, you did all you could and if was starting to effect your own relationships, you did the right thing. I was at this point with a friend, she would be at mine crying and then the same day doing happy family posts on social media. Luckily she saw the light a few months later but several of her friends had reached the point you got to, me included. You can't keep pouring your own emotional wellbeing down the drain for the sake of someone else

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 06/04/2025 17:19

It can be incredibly draining when you invest so much in helping a friend who won’t or can’t help themselves and I think your mum was unfair to guilt trip you. I have a friend I’ve had to back away from who has been in an abusive relationship for years but doesn’t want suggestions, doesn’t want help and doesn’t want saving. She just wants someone to sit on the phone for hours every week commiserating with her about how awful it all is and I’m so drained I’ve just stopped answering her calls because she doesn’t want help. I’ve come to the conclusion there may be an element of attention in it all and I only call or text when it’s convenient for me. I just don’t answer the endless calls anymore.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 06/04/2025 17:16

In a similar situation. My own health is not good and I’ve literally exhausted myself trying to help.
Reading screenshots of abusive conversations where I then couldn’t sleep with worry.
Friend has already been given new housing where heaven and earth was moved to get her into it. She was classed as homeless and a DV victim and the LA found her a home in a lovely new purpose built flat with great security.
A week later she gave her ‘D’H the spare key and the key code.
I understand it’s not easy.
Last week I spent hours talking to her as I was trying to get ready for another friend’s funeral.
I have heard over and over and over again the details of why he’s vile.
This friend has a loving family who did all they could to move her and equip her new home.
Last week she said I’m really done and I said I was pleased because what I’d seen in the messages she’d sent where really concerning to me.
The next day I found out an hour after telling me that she was at his house, planning their new future together.
I have now had enough. I don’t have the emotional or physical resources any more and it’s too much for me.
If anyone wants to judge me, I don’t mind. But it’s like dealing with an addict.

TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 17:16

PhilippaGeorgiou · 06/04/2025 16:38

Oh this one is really hard. I think you showed yourself to be an amazing friend. But I also kind of agree that you went too far. I don't think she was really ready or wanting to leave him, and I think you let yourself get swept along by what you thought was best for her. Until she thought it was best for her, it was never going to happen. And when she did think it best, she'd have found ways to do it. Her "involvement" was too passive - that was a huge tell that she wasn't in the place that you thought she was. It would have been better if you had stepped back perhaps - not cut contact but kept it at a more superficial level.

That said, it is three years on, you did your best, there was no ill intent, and I don't think you have anything to feel guilty about, but equally I would leave things as they are - you cannot remake the last three years, you cut all contact with her actively. It wasn't a case of gradually letting the friendship fizzle out or fall to the back burner - you blocked her, and I can't see a way back from that. Why would she want you back in her life now?

And btw, I think it is kind of weird of your OH to be looking her up, even occasionally, and reporting back to you. Smacks a bit of "I told you so", and isn't a very nice look.

I ask my DH to check now and again as I’ve blocked her from my account. Just to see if her DH is still in her profile pic. I still care for her and want her to leave, I’ve just felt I can’t be part of her life anymore

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VexedofVirginiaWater · 06/04/2025 17:16

PeachesPeachesPeachesPeachesPeaches · 06/04/2025 17:10

For those asking why it had to be all or nothing…

I’d bet OP would have remained friends with her if she had turned around and said “it’s too hard, I can’t do it right now, thank you for everything you’ve done to support me”

Instead she completely gaslit OP and was extremely unkind about everything the OP had done to help her. I couldn’t stay friends with someone who did that to me when I had done so much to try to help them.

Yes it is the gaslighting and blaming the op which makes it feel so bad. If she had just said I'm sorry I just can't do it yet, it might have been different. I know it was probably her husband's influence, but she still blamed you for trying to help her. I don't think I could have come back from that either.

RitaFires · 06/04/2025 17:14

I think even if you hadn't blocked her, in all likelihood her husband wouldn't have allowed her to contact you anymore. She might have been persuaded to block you so might not even know that you cut her off. It's common for the abuser to force their partner to distance themselves from the "bad influence" who made them consider leaving in order to prove their loyalty.

Sometimes you have to let people go, unfortunately she was consuming a lot of your emotional energy and while you thought it was helping her it really wasn't doing anything positive for either of you.

Minecraftvsroblox · 06/04/2025 17:14

TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 17:12

With the greatest of respect I was there - she did gaslight me. Whether it was through coercion, or it was unconscious, it was gaslighting. Proved after when I looked back at messages that explicitly showed her desperation to want to leave him. It made me feel like total shit.

I felt like shaking her “See look - you’re wrong, you lied and here’s the evidence” would have been pointless and cruel. I also didn’t want to participate in pretending she was right.

If that lunch she’d said “I appreciate all your help but now isn’t the right time for X Y Z reason” it would probably have been different. But I felt I didn’t deserve to be anyone’s emotional punching bag

She's codependent it won't end until someone is either dead or imprisoned. That's how a lot of these relationships end up.