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Fed up with jokes about 'stupid Irish' people?

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Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 05/04/2025 11:31

My maternal grandparents both came from Ireland and I am proud of my heritage.

For context I work for a Govt Dept that is very keen on promoting inclusive non-discriminatory policies - we even have to take a regular training programme to ensure that we are aware of direct and indirect discrimination.

Yesterday on a group 'Wellbeing' chat someone put a joke about 'Paddy' which was the usual Irish 'Paddy is stupid' kind of joke. IMO the joke would have been amusing if it had been 'Fred' or 'John' eg: not racially focussed. This joke got several 'likes' & generated other 'Paddy' & 'Murphy' type jokes. I felt insulted but didn't call it out because, well, I felt that would make me a WOKE Party Pooper.

AIBU & over-sensitive?

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Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 05/04/2025 13:12

SinnerBoy · 05/04/2025 12:47

This is certainly worth complaing about, there have been cases won for constructive dismissal, where Irish people have been targeted with this sort of rubbish at work. Imagine being the (unjustifably) butt of everyone's "jokes," day in, day out.

Gotback · Today 11:50

Mark Wood is from Ashington in South Northumberland. Us Geordies can tell quickly that someone is from Ashington / Bedlington.

Like some posters here, I have Irish and Wesh ancestry. Dad's dad was from Armagh, mam's mam from Ballymena and mam's dad from rural Wales. It seems to be a certain type who complains about Irish, Scots and Welsh, with lazy stereotypes and urban myths:

"Oh, I went into a pub in Wales and they stopped talking English and started in Welsh."

The kind who go to Spain, complain about the food and want a cooked breakfast and moan that the waiter's English isn't 100% flawless.

Funny story here about Welsh suddenly speaking Welsh: It WAS about 1986 - so maybe not relevant to now. My late DH was Welsh speaking. We went into a pub in N. Wales. He sat down & I went to the bar to order our drinks. Locals started speaking in Welsh. We drank our drinks &, as we left, my DH said (in Welsh) you should be careful what you say about people - have a good evening & good night to you all. 😜

Also, when we got married in 1988 we moved into a small community in Wales. My DH was quite a well-known local club rugby player. Our neighbour confronted him asking in (in Welsh) if he couldn't have found a nice Welsh girl to marry rather than a (forgive the spelling) 'Sice' which is a derogatory word for a stranger. He answered (again in Welsh) that the trouble with Welsh girls is that they are in danger of becoming opinionated prejudiced old women like her & he'd thought that she would have welcomed me & made me feel comfortable being so far away from her (my) own family who lived in Cornwall.

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vandelle · 05/04/2025 13:09

Flutterbyby · 05/04/2025 13:06

Er what ? Ireland has nothing to do with Westminster.

The education system again. Not much there about the British effect on Ireland's history is there? Many British people still think Ireland is part of the UK. Seriously.

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 05/04/2025 13:08

Is your office in the 70s?!

Not you aren’t being over sensitive, that is bizarre. send the trail to HR and ask them to send a reminder out.

Flutterbyby · 05/04/2025 13:06

SapporoBaby · 05/04/2025 12:52

Maybe I’m from the wrong generation to notice though. I’m 29 and from Northern England and I don’t think I’ve heard an anti-Irish statement my whole life. If anything I’ve only heard family feeling bad for the Irish because they think they’re victims of Westminster like my home town.

Er what ? Ireland has nothing to do with Westminster.

Alwaystheways · 05/04/2025 13:03

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ExpressCheckout · 05/04/2025 13:03

Agree. I'm fed up of the casual racism and pompous superiority levelled against English people by a tiny minority of people from elsewhere in the British Isles and elsewhere.

Yes, there are historical reasons for this but, frankly, most people have moved on and this kind of narrow-minded, lazy and ignorant flag-waving belongs to Trump the past.

BarneyRonson · 05/04/2025 13:00

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pinkdelight · 05/04/2025 13:00

Ginmonkeyagain · 05/04/2025 11:55

Do you work in 1985? I work for a public body and any jokes of that nature would be reported to HR and people disciplined. It's racism, deal with it like you would any other racist "joke" or comment.

Mr Monkey is Irish and he hasn't heard that sort of stuff since the early 1990s

This. It all feels very last century and now more likely that people scratch around to find and claim Irish/Welsh/other ancestry for a more interesting identity - and passport where possible. There are clearly some thicko dinosaurs around like OP encountered who would get in big trouble for such comments, esp in civil service. It still seems okay to make jibes at straight white males, which gives said males grounds to get wound up about it, which no good will come of.

Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 05/04/2025 12:56

Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 05/04/2025 12:06

As you say, the Celtic nations tend to value education, music, poetry & the finer things of life. The Brits don't have this heritage so, like you, I suspect that they are envious.

Let me tell you a joke about the White Anglo Saxon Male Brit who was so stupid that ......😂

I was being satirical - no offence meant.

Shakespeare, Jane Austen, Elgar, Byrd, William Walton, the Bronte sisters, Byron....Many British musicians & poets.

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SapporoBaby · 05/04/2025 12:52

Maybe I’m from the wrong generation to notice though. I’m 29 and from Northern England and I don’t think I’ve heard an anti-Irish statement my whole life. If anything I’ve only heard family feeling bad for the Irish because they think they’re victims of Westminster like my home town.

SapporoBaby · 05/04/2025 12:49

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say anything like that. All I get is the Irish and Scottish calling all English people evil tbh

SinnerBoy · 05/04/2025 12:47

This is certainly worth complaing about, there have been cases won for constructive dismissal, where Irish people have been targeted with this sort of rubbish at work. Imagine being the (unjustifably) butt of everyone's "jokes," day in, day out.

Gotback · Today 11:50

Mark Wood is from Ashington in South Northumberland. Us Geordies can tell quickly that someone is from Ashington / Bedlington.

Like some posters here, I have Irish and Wesh ancestry. Dad's dad was from Armagh, mam's mam from Ballymena and mam's dad from rural Wales. It seems to be a certain type who complains about Irish, Scots and Welsh, with lazy stereotypes and urban myths:

"Oh, I went into a pub in Wales and they stopped talking English and started in Welsh."

The kind who go to Spain, complain about the food and want a cooked breakfast and moan that the waiter's English isn't 100% flawless.

Greyish2025 · 05/04/2025 12:46

Greyish2025 · 05/04/2025 12:26

Absolutely agree with this, Ireland at this stage is far ahead of the Britain in a lot of areas, Britain has been rapidly declining for decades whereas Ireland has been rapidly progressing during that same time and continues to progress

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Goldenbear · 05/04/2025 12:29

Greyish2025 · 05/04/2025 12:26

Absolutely agree with this, Ireland at this stage is far ahead of the Britain in a lot of areas, Britain has been rapidly declining for decades whereas Ireland has been rapidly progressing during that same time and continues to progress

To make such sweeping generalisations about a country that has a population of nearly 70 million as opposed to Ireland's just over 5 million, seems a bit drastic a position.

Greyish2025 · 05/04/2025 12:26

uthredswife · 05/04/2025 11:36

As an actual Irish person, i don't really expect any different from most British people. But at this stage I'm not sure how much I care. Its just the last gasps of an dying empire really. We're ahead of the uk in education, and happiness and most metrics that matter. If people have to try to pretend to be superior to Irish people to feel like they matter, whatever.

Absolutely agree with this, Ireland at this stage is far ahead of the Britain in a lot of areas, Britain has been rapidly declining for decades whereas Ireland has been rapidly progressing during that same time and continues to progress

Goldenbear · 05/04/2025 12:16

Tbh, I think this is a divisive nonsense thread!

Goldenbear · 05/04/2025 12:13

Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 05/04/2025 12:06

As you say, the Celtic nations tend to value education, music, poetry & the finer things of life. The Brits don't have this heritage so, like you, I suspect that they are envious.

Let me tell you a joke about the White Anglo Saxon Male Brit who was so stupid that ......😂

Sorry the Brits don't value literature, music and poetry- eh? Is this satire? I am not being defensive as have Danish heritage only a couple of generations back and still have family there, that is certainly not the view of English people which I think you are getting at.

Posia · 05/04/2025 12:11

DeafLeppard · 05/04/2025 12:09

Irish here - I find this idea that the English are a nation of uncultured swines and that the Celts are somehow bastions of cultured civilisation equally offensive, tbh.

This. You can’t complain about offensive nonsense and then go into a similar rant.

DeafLeppard · 05/04/2025 12:09

Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 05/04/2025 12:06

As you say, the Celtic nations tend to value education, music, poetry & the finer things of life. The Brits don't have this heritage so, like you, I suspect that they are envious.

Let me tell you a joke about the White Anglo Saxon Male Brit who was so stupid that ......😂

Irish here - I find this idea that the English are a nation of uncultured swines and that the Celts are somehow bastions of cultured civilisation equally offensive, tbh.

Happyspendingthedayinthegarden · 05/04/2025 12:06

vandelle · 05/04/2025 12:00

TBH deep down I'd take it as a compliment from those undereducated and far less sophisticated than you are. I see it as envy really. All forms of racism usually stem from idiots.

The Irish are highly educated very warm welcoming people, come from a wealthy well run country that values education, looks after its underprivileged and its elderly very very well. I envy you, but not in the racist way I described above!

As you say, the Celtic nations tend to value education, music, poetry & the finer things of life. The Brits don't have this heritage so, like you, I suspect that they are envious.

Let me tell you a joke about the White Anglo Saxon Male Brit who was so stupid that ......😂

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vandelle · 05/04/2025 12:00

TBH deep down I'd take it as a compliment from those undereducated and far less sophisticated than you are. I see it as envy really. All forms of racism usually stem from idiots.

The Irish are highly educated very warm welcoming people, come from a wealthy well run country that values education, looks after its underprivileged and its elderly very very well. I envy you, but not in the racist way I described above!

Devilsmommy · 05/04/2025 11:59

Swiftie1878 · 05/04/2025 11:45

And thieving jokes about scousers.

And dummy Brummies!

Posia · 05/04/2025 11:57

yanbu, I would also report it to a manager/hr

LassoOfTruth · 05/04/2025 11:57

YANBU - somehow it’s still fine to be racist towards white people (or cultures perceived to be mostly white). See also “miserly” scots and “sheep shaggers” of Wales. I’m Northern Irish by birth and have actually had work colleagues make jokes about me knowing how to make bombs - I have called it out because it’s insensitive, and much worse, not actually funny. I’d describe myself as anti-woke if anything and love a joke, but Paddy jokes can get in the bin of comedy along with every other lazy race-based “joke”.

Ginmonkeyagain · 05/04/2025 11:55

Do you work in 1985? I work for a public body and any jokes of that nature would be reported to HR and people disciplined. It's racism, deal with it like you would any other racist "joke" or comment.

Mr Monkey is Irish and he hasn't heard that sort of stuff since the early 1990s

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