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Afghan women being denied refuge by government

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Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 10:48

It's very disturbing that Afghan women are having their claims turned down. We're all aware of how women can't work or speak in public. Human rights defenders are in grave danger and are being told that they don't face persecution if they go back.

26 women in 2024 had their claims rejected which is absolutely appalling.

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Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 16:13

GeorgianaM · 05/04/2025 16:07

@Maitri108

Are there any Islamic countries offering them refuge or is it just us?

I'm not sure what the point of that comment is. Afghan women are being turned away and sent back to Afghanistan where they're living in prison like conditions and their lives are at risk. Meanwhile you're absorbed in whataboutery.

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GeorgianaM · 05/04/2025 16:07

@Maitri108

Are there any Islamic countries offering them refuge or is it just us?

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 15:09

GeorgianaM · 05/04/2025 15:04

Why are so few not concerned that many of ones that are given asylum, including women, don't want to integrate and are want to continue living with the same beliefs and culture as the country they have left behind?

The thread isn't about some people not wanting to integrate. It's about Afghan women being turned down for refuge.

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GeorgianaM · 05/04/2025 15:04

Why are so few not concerned that many of ones that are given asylum, including women, don't want to integrate and are want to continue living with the same beliefs and culture as the country they have left behind?

Wishyouwerehere50 · 05/04/2025 14:32

minnienono · 05/04/2025 12:05

The problem is that we cannot grant asylum to every Afghan woman (and men for that matter) on the grounds that they live in a country with a terrible government. To get asylum they need to be specifically worse off than average citizens of their country eg we grant asylum for political refugees because their activism has made them a special target. There are many countries whose citizens are repressed remember

If we had reliable stats we could believe. And I don't feel we ever do get that. Then, we can look at the cases and I believe it's going to be disproportionately men clogging up the backlog of cases awaiting assessment. I don't believe men in Afghanistan are all having a fab time, yet, do you all realise what life is like to be a woman there?

I don't know if we have a prioritisation point system but sure to God a female in Afghanistan of all places deserves protection. The hotels are wall to wall men.

Wishyouwerehere50 · 05/04/2025 14:27

Having read the article, everything in me says this is wrong. And it feels like another one of those gaslighting cases, denial of absolute reality. The claim is she'll be ok because she has adequate protection and support. Er no. In Afghanistan? No way on earth. She says herself this so called supportive network has fled.

The problem is out of control it seems yet none of us can rely on anything we're told.

I really dislike these YouTube weirdos carrying out 'audits'. It did show me a few things though. These annoying YouTube guys turn up at hotels housing migrants all over the country to just goad the public with their footage. They will try get some information out the men there in all these hotels. Many are there for years awaiting processing. They will declare how many years and that they can't work whilst waiting. They're all men, always men.

It's a mess. I don't doubt the legitimacy of the people but you just can't discern one case from an other on face value. Why are they always men.

I'd rather this brave lady was entitled to remain any day.

saraclara · 05/04/2025 14:24

Another kind soul suggested that Afghan women work towards change yet here you are saying why would you be so stupid to do that.

Exactly. People in these volatile and dangerous places simply can't win.

MuffinsOrCake · 05/04/2025 14:21

The west has to make their bloody mind up what they want to change and to go for it. Otherwise you have to let the people be.

MuffinsOrCake · 05/04/2025 14:20

I don't get any of this. Surely this shit making women go against their own men and their own culture started from the West, which now refuses to back it up. How the women can oppose their regyme and what change will happen in society whose men don't want that change unless like you go and bomb their whole place down and now as it happens in another area the people are called ( fairly so) monsters.

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 14:12

kaela100 · 05/04/2025 14:08

Most female 'Afghan' refugees are actually Pakistani. Afghan women who need refuge really struggle to leave Afghanistan.

She worked for Western backed government projects, wouldn't be too hard to check. Her rejection letter doesn't say she was rejected for being Pakistani.

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kaela100 · 05/04/2025 14:08

Most female 'Afghan' refugees are actually Pakistani. Afghan women who need refuge really struggle to leave Afghanistan.

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 14:08

Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 14:06

It's not sociopathic to realise actions have consequences.

It's sociopathic to not want to help people in danger of torture or death. Then to blame them for bringing it upon themselves because they helped other people.

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GooseberryBeret · 05/04/2025 14:07

Wildflowers99 · 05/04/2025 13:53

Which countries would greet us with humanity and an open border programme if the government decided to oppress us? I’m genuinely curious as to who you think would reciprocate?

It’s not ‘open borders’ to comply with our obligations to refugees under international conventions. I know these sort of things are out of fashion but they were put in place for a reason. Do you think countries that refused admission to refugee Jews in the 1930s were doing the right thing?

The Kindertransport has been mentioned on this thread, but it existed in that form because the UK wouldn’t let adults in. But I suppose that’s ok, we “didn’t owe them anything”.

Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 14:06

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 14:02

Not everyone is a sociopath pragmatic. Some are driven to help others for example, they set up charities, volunteer or defend the powerless. They don't deserve punishment for risking their lives to help.

Another kind soul suggested that Afghan women work towards change yet here you are saying why would you be so stupid to do that.

It's not sociopathic to realise actions have consequences.

KennyMousetits · 05/04/2025 14:03

Shitting hell. The lack of knowledge on this thread is off the scale. For the people who don't get it, go read up about why people (and in particular women) from Afghanistan are seeking asylum in this country in the first place. Learn about the way the UK fucked up along with the US in leaving Afghanistan after we'd gone in there and caused a mess.

And no, we are never gonna have the whole fucking world seeking asylum here cos that's ridiculous. Honestly, it's a shit show here and it's not the fault of the people fleeing persecution but the fault of the rich, greedy bastards who fuck us over then blame the easiest people to blame.

Fucks sake, makes me so cross.

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 14:02

Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 13:59

A pragmatic human being. Why on earth wouldn't you choose to do something that you knew would cause you mega trouble then expect a random country to rescue you?

Not everyone is a sociopath pragmatic. Some are driven to help others for example, they set up charities, volunteer or defend the powerless. They don't deserve punishment for risking their lives to help.

Another kind soul suggested that Afghan women work towards change yet here you are saying why would you be so stupid to do that.

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Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 13:59

saraclara · 05/04/2025 13:35

Sometimes I read something like that second paragraph and wonder if there's actually a human being behind it.

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A pragmatic human being. Why on earth wouldn't you choose to do something that you knew would cause you mega trouble then expect a random country to rescue you?

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 13:57

Wildflowers99 · 05/04/2025 13:53

Which countries would greet us with humanity and an open border programme if the government decided to oppress us? I’m genuinely curious as to who you think would reciprocate?

It wouldn't be a single country, it would be countries signed up to the Refugee convention. In a similar way to the way Ukrainians fleeing the war were helped.

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Wildflowers99 · 05/04/2025 13:53

GooseberryBeret · 05/04/2025 13:18

Fucking hell this thread is depressing - the lack of compassion and the naivety about the competence UK asylum system. The idea that if someone is turned down it must definitely be for a good reason, maybe because they’re a criminal.

if the decision-making process is so bloody wonderful why do about 50% of legal challenges tp rejection succeed?

These poor women. I hope if you’re ever in danger of your life you are met with more humanity.

Which countries would greet us with humanity and an open border programme if the government decided to oppress us? I’m genuinely curious as to who you think would reciprocate?

saraclara · 05/04/2025 13:35

Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 13:30

You were saying about the treatment of women in Afghanistan in general. If that was the case then we can't take all Afghan women

And surely she CHOSE to become a human rights worker. Knowing the risks she put herself in. Nobody forced her

Sometimes I read something like that second paragraph and wonder if there's actually a human being behind it.

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 13:34

Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 13:30

You were saying about the treatment of women in Afghanistan in general. If that was the case then we can't take all Afghan women

And surely she CHOSE to become a human rights worker. Knowing the risks she put herself in. Nobody forced her

I was talking about Afghan women and the woman in the article. There's no danger of us taking in 20m women so I'm not sure why you're mentioning it.

You're being ridiculous saying that she chose to help people therefore she gets what she deserves.

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Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 13:30

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 13:28

I don't understand what you mean. She's a human rights defender and risks her life going back.

You were saying about the treatment of women in Afghanistan in general. If that was the case then we can't take all Afghan women

And surely she CHOSE to become a human rights worker. Knowing the risks she put herself in. Nobody forced her

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 13:28

Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 13:25

But that we would have to take ALL Afghan women . I think the compassionate features are to do with the people apply having some special issues, not being treated exactly the same as every other woman in their country

I don't understand what you mean. She's a human rights defender and risks her life going back.

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Gogogo12345 · 05/04/2025 13:25

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 10:54

You certainly are. If you read the article posted, the letter stated, There are no compassionate factors in your case that warrant a grant of leave to remain outside the immigration rules.

We all know that's not true given how women are treated and how a human rights defender would be punished by the Taliban.

But that we would have to take ALL Afghan women . I think the compassionate features are to do with the people apply having some special issues, not being treated exactly the same as every other woman in their country

Maitri108 · 05/04/2025 13:24

GooseberryBeret · 05/04/2025 13:18

Fucking hell this thread is depressing - the lack of compassion and the naivety about the competence UK asylum system. The idea that if someone is turned down it must definitely be for a good reason, maybe because they’re a criminal.

if the decision-making process is so bloody wonderful why do about 50% of legal challenges tp rejection succeed?

These poor women. I hope if you’re ever in danger of your life you are met with more humanity.

They'd have protested the Kindertransport. "They must have done something wrong."🤔

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