Afghan women being denied refuge by government

These poor women refused yet two Afghan male asylum seekers this week have been convicted of of two separate sec attacks in my town. It’s beggars belief it really is

These are the people we should be actively helping and helping their next generation of boys not be like the men in their current generation via education.

You really think the current generation of men don’t know they’re abusing their women?

Oh stop. 🤦 I was having the conversation the other day that how will we ever really know unless we have access to every case ourselves directly.

I don't trust much of what we're told so it's really difficult to discern.

I watch those annoying YouTube videos going into hotels and see from those that we have hundreds, probably thousands of men. They're all men. I then think, what about the women? I'm more concerned about them and this doesn't feel right. But we have no idea what's going on in these cases because we are lied to so much about all things.

I also have to accept some of my reaction is maybe prejudice. If I lived in these coastal towns with these hotels, based on what I've seen - I'd really feel uncomfortable. I know I wouldn't if they were just women alone. That itself may be naive.

The only part I'm really highlighting is the assumptions there must be a really valid reason. Based on the info so far ( which could be seriously lacking of course), that is a terribly scary justification and I don't believe she will have this safety net as proposed.

I don't know enough regards appealing and costs associated with that.

This again aligns with all these other examoles in society where appeals demonstrate appalling behaviour by our institutions who then have their decisions overturned at even greater cost. Because they lie and gaslight systemically.

And I must stress, I feel uncomfortable about what is happening right now. I understand why people are so upset.

I truly don't know the answer.

A better system, a more robust efficient system of assessing current claims would be great. How much that costs, I don't know. We also can't just stall new arrivals whilst we process so that current cases can be treated appropriately. 🤷‍♀️

Actually I might be. Why are people assuming these women won't be able to help? Many are highly trained medics, teachers, nurses and engineers for example. We need people like this. We need more women working supporting the economy.

I thought everyone who entered this country was at significant risk in their homeland according to MN.

It is always interesting to me why countries don't stipulate only women and children when looking at asylum. We know they are most affected in war, we know they rarely start or have interest in the wars. We know women in such places as Afghanistan can't leave their house or sing, let alone engage in criminal behaviour. These are the people we should be actively helping and helping their next generation of boys not be like the men in their current generation via education.

Realistically we can’t take everyone when our country is in the state it is. There must be genuine reasons for her to be turned down which haven’t been published in this article because it wants to pull at people’s heart strings. If she genuinely has a case then I’m sure she’ll be successful when she appeals.

That might be so. I hear this. I also don't advocate ' everyone come' either.

Would you rather this lady at significant risk or the hotels full of young men who I'd hazard a guess will stand a better chance of survival than this lady will back in Costa del Afghan.

Not necessarily.

Things can be done that don't lead to a reliance upon pervasive systemic gaslighting - only perpetuated by people saying ' no money innit'.

Is the rejection of this claim justifiable ( if we use the money excuse) when we have thousands of men sat in hotels awaiting assessment at great cost. When you consider risk factors, who is possibly what I'd call of greater worth? And to be brutal, potential to actively contribute in some admirable means with the experience and background.

We can't trust much of what we are being told. Only people living these realities know that smoke and mirrors is a tactic to evade many things.

We are full

But the reason for the lack of SEN support is the same as the reason we don’t take in all the Afghan women.

Finances.

We're full to the brim as it is.

The only real life example I can compare this to is my own. We have Local Authorities telling parents and children their SEN kids are doing just fine in a mainstream setting. That the support is adequate. The gaslighting is on a scale only thousands of parents in this situation understand. Lying, denial and minimising. It feels like that's akin to what they're doing here, yet the consequence for such women are obviously significantly more catastrophic than my example!

The reason cited in the reference article for refusal does not sit right. The lady is from Afghanistan of all places and she actively represents the antithesis of what the Taliban stands for. This support network? I'm not buying it.

I haven't read the RFRL but she is a member of a particular social group unless there are specific reasons in her particular case to exempt her. So I think in all likelihood one of the following things is true:

1. she will be granted at appeal; or
2. there is evidence to suggest that her particular support network is still intact.

Jewish people didn’t come from 1 country though did they? And they were not the majority in any 1 country at all until the creation of Israel. They had zero opportunity to effect change.

Great I’ll tell my Afghan female friend here. She was a doctor in her home country….here she’s relegated to a GP assistant while she perfects her English and does the exams needed. Shes going to be a fantastic GP. But sure I’ll tell her change has to come from within the country and tell her to head back.

@Never2many bollocks - that’s the same as saying uou can’t intervene with domestic violence that’s behind closed doors.

Not forgetting that we left them to it.

i agree - id welcome them all.

so any people wander round still slapping themselves on the back for opposing apartheid in SA and ignoring this

And what do you expect the world to do exactly?

I don’t agree with how women are being treated in Afghanistan, but the fact is that it’s not for us to decide how another country should be run and to demand that it be run according to our standards. It could be argued that by going in there in the first place and introducing a more western lifestyle we have actually made things worse than they were already.

And no-one here would agree with another country wading in here and telling us how to live.

We might not agree with how they operate but it cuts both ways.

Surely this shit making women go against their own men and their own culture started from the West, which now refuses to back it up.

Making women go against their men? Men who believe women should be covered from head to toe, not be educated, not leave their homes? Men who don’t allow them to sing or speak? Or seek healthcare?

You think those women should submit to their men? Fuck me!