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To be sad about reasons behind niece’s choice

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EWAB · 03/04/2025 15:29

I know this has nothing to do with me before anyone has a go at me.

I have sadly never been close to my nieces and nephews which is a source of real sadness to me. My siblings and I are close but they haven’t been interested in bringing the children together.

My niece is 23 and has spent a long time in The States as sister’s husband often works over there. They have a very different life to us.

My niece is in London studying but is all but done bar her dissertation. She invited me and my sons out to lunch and obviously we asked her what she is doing next. She is going to pursue a doner conceived baby.

This has always been her intention as she wants her children to be only her children. She doesn’t want to share them and doesn’t want a potential stepmother in their life if a relationship broke up.

The fact that she has a fibroid has spurred her to do this about five years earlier than she planned. I am so sad about her reasons for doing this. If it was ONLY because of the fibroids I wouldn’t be that sad.

I know it’s not my business.

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SiobhanSharpe · 03/04/2025 17:24

I know a young woman in this position, distant family. I'm not sure exactly how old she is, possibly early to mid-30s now. She has a full time job in a medicine adjacent field with a work-site creche. (Not NHS)
A few years ago she decided she wanted a baby but hadn't had (or wanted to have) a relationship, it seems. Her siblings were all settled with partners and DC.
She went ahead with the donor assisted conception and had a baby but sadly the child has a medical condition. It's a bit unusual I think but it affects their development.
I'm trying not to judge but the vibe I am getting is that she has not gotten the child she wanted, so is going ahead with a second donor assisted pregnancy.
It's sad on several levels. Principally for her existing child and but also for the one that is coming along soon. What will happen if this child is less than perfect in its mother's eyes too?

TiredCatLady · 03/04/2025 17:22

Well given the utterly shit blokes who are outed on here on a daily basis with many women ending up as default parents or single parents anyway, I say fair play to her for cutting out that bit! She wants a baby and doesn’t want to mess around for years hoping to find “the one”. Who might well turn out to be a wanker anyway.

Topseyt123 · 03/04/2025 17:21

EWAB · 03/04/2025 16:19

I am sad I think because she has a poor expectation of relationships, that’s it’s almost inevitable that they will break down and the man would be an obstacle to her parenting.

If that has been her life experience so far then I can see why she might think it better and easier without a whining man-child under her feet.

Ddakji · 03/04/2025 17:21

EuclidianGeometryFan · 03/04/2025 16:40

There is no reason why a 23 can't properly think this through.

It is a very modern phenomenon for women to wait until their thirties before becoming mothers. Fifty years ago, the norm in many communities was to get married and have your first baby before the age of 25.

But we’re not 50th are ago, and life has changed a lot since then - for a start, she may well be the only 23 year old mother she knows.

Adults are much “younger” than they were back when they basically turned into their own parents at the age of 21.

I don’t actually think having children young is a bad thing, I merely question that she hasn’t thought it through properly.

WilfredsPies · 03/04/2025 17:17

KimberleyClark · 03/04/2025 16:53

They may well miss having a dad, especially if they have friends with loving involved fathers.

Why do you think having a child having a father guarantees them a dad?

Topseyt123 · 03/04/2025 17:15

I don't think it is sad at all. No need to judge her for it.

She will presumably need to work to finance some of her plans and be prepared to answer any questions a potential child may have in the future - assuring them that they are just as wanted and loved as other children.

I know a couple of single parents with no involved fathers for various reasons and there don't seem to be any issues so far. That's not to say that there never will be of course, but all appears OK for now.

If your niece does become pregnant then a bit of family support from those around her wherever she has settled will not go amiss.

Kingsleadhat · 03/04/2025 17:14

The biggest problem I see with this is identity issues the child might have. Knowing where you are from is hugely important. I think that's where I'd be steering the conversation if she brought it up again

WilfredsPies · 03/04/2025 17:13

ThejoyofNC · 03/04/2025 17:03

All of that is irrelevant. She is incredibly selfish.

It’s not irrelevant at all. And she is no more selfish than you are short sighted and judgemental.

BlueSkyBeing · 03/04/2025 17:11

ThejoyofNC · 03/04/2025 15:50

I think it's absolutely terrible to purposely choose not to allow children the chance to have two parents. It's so selfish and she's only thinking of herself.

This sadly. She does sound like she may have issues or it may at least be worth her talking through with a professional to understand why she feels so strongly in this way.

She is very young. I thought I knew everything at 23 but in reality I knew nothing.

Fioratourer · 03/04/2025 17:11

It’s her choice but her baby will still be shared with a childminder, school teachers, family etc. It may be an immature view or the result of trauma? 23 is young to make that decision but it is her life.

bigfacthunter · 03/04/2025 17:10

Also everyone on here pretending they had children for completely selfless reasons and not that they selfishly wanted to be parents 😂 Utter nonsense. Get over yourselves,

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 03/04/2025 17:04

Zezet · 03/04/2025 17:03

From what I remember lots of people batted lots of eyelids at Ronaldo doing it.

For good reasons.

You are not wrong, OP.

Surrogacy is it's own concern for me

But solo parenting, definitely not

CandidAquaFinch · 03/04/2025 17:03

This is truly what she wants; the best thing you can do is be supportive and let her know she has family she can rely on. Being a single parent won’t be easy, but plenty of people make it work and build loving, happy families in different ways.

ThejoyofNC · 03/04/2025 17:03

WilfredsPies · 03/04/2025 16:31

That’s utterly ridiculous. She has a medical condition. If she waits to meet someone, establish a relationship, hope they want children as soon as soon as possible then try to conceive naturally, she could miss her window of having children at all.

Look on the relationship boards and read the dozens of threads where one parent has decided he doesn’t want to be a dad anymore and buggers off to relive his youth with another woman.

Her children are never going to feel that they weren’t wanted, or that there was something wrong with them that meant their dad didn’t love them.

She’s not selfish.

All of that is irrelevant. She is incredibly selfish.

Zezet · 03/04/2025 17:03

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 03/04/2025 15:41

I think yabu

It's a wise choice. If a man made it, ie Christiano Ronaldo, no-one would bat an eyelid.

I wanted to do this. If I had another, I'd use a donor. I really wish I had been wise and strong enough to really choose the life I wanted.

Maybe she'll fall in love and change her mind. But I think that this, for me, is a wise choice. The only detractor is her age for me, she's so young.

Edit - sounds like she has family and friends for support. That's very important, controversially I know - more important than a husband.

Edited

From what I remember lots of people batted lots of eyelids at Ronaldo doing it.

For good reasons.

You are not wrong, OP.

Ronsealit · 03/04/2025 17:03

I had my first at 23 and am still in a happy and fulfilling marriage with their very active and involved father almost 17 years later. We have a great life and a thriving family so it’s possible.

I do however have a friend who is the sole parent to two dc via donor and I find it difficult to understand her choices. She has had periods of not being in the best health, physically and mentally and is now estranged from her parents. Her children are her world but in her case it is all about control and I wonder how things will play out for her when the dc are older. Her way wasn’t for me but we are all different

Butchyrestingface · 03/04/2025 17:00

Fancycheese · 03/04/2025 16:54

But why is it great that she’s chosen to deprive this child of ever having a father?

I wish my mother had chosen to deprive ME of the dubious pleasure of a father. Grin

Butchyrestingface · 03/04/2025 16:59

Fancycheese · 03/04/2025 16:55

Yes, but we’re well established now aren’t we?

If we're well established I reckon we can take the risk of a few women with baby fever making the leap before age 25.

teenmaw · 03/04/2025 16:57

I’d have been better off doing it alone than with the absolutely useless dad my kids ended up with. In fact it would have been easier. And my kids would have missed the heartache and damage caused by him. She’s the smartest woman I’ve heard of in a long time and just because it’s not what you would chose, doesn’t mean she and her child can’t be blissfully happy.

Genevieva · 03/04/2025 16:56

I think it’s far more likely that the comment about a father is an excuse laid on top of her worries about never having children. It is a way of saying that she planned to do this anyway.

babasaclover · 03/04/2025 16:56

I actually think it sounds really sensible. Too many poor people are stuck in awful relationships cause the parent of their child is awful and they can’t face having to share kids with them and potentially put their kids in danger when not with them.

if I had my time again….

Dovetail22uk2 · 03/04/2025 16:56

Fancycheese · 03/04/2025 16:54

But why is it great that she’s chosen to deprive this child of ever having a father?

How are they being deprived of something they have never had? A happy child with a great mum is far superior to a child in a unhappy home or with a shit dad. I assume, therefore, that you wouldn't like them to have two mums either?

Fancycheese · 03/04/2025 16:55

Butchyrestingface · 03/04/2025 16:47

If people routinely waited for complete development of their frontal cortexes before having babies, the human race would never have gotten* off the ground.

*I'm Scottish - sod off, haters.

Edited

Yes, but we’re well established now aren’t we?

224RainandSunshine · 03/04/2025 16:54

As someone with a small baby and a good, but not quite as helpful partner as I had hoped....fuck it, it would be easier in many ways. Like, yeah, it would be physically harder. But I also hadn't expected how hard my life would be, how easy the dad has it, and how much I'd resent that.

I have couples around me splitting up and it's awful on the children and the mothers. To have to let your child go to a useless Disney dad every few days is pretty hard.

Fancycheese · 03/04/2025 16:54

dovetail22uk · 03/04/2025 16:48

I agree that it's a wise choice. I've always said to my daughter to only have a child if she would be content to bring up that child on her own as you never know what will happen with a partner. She is doing what she wants with her life and that may seem non-traditional to some, but it's great that she has chosen this path carefully for herself and her child.

But why is it great that she’s chosen to deprive this child of ever having a father?

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