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redbull5 · 02/04/2025 09:26

I know I will be flamed, I don't know where to start with this, I went on a dates, it was ok, I didn't know he was married at first, I found out recently, he told me, I didn't suspect as he was happy to text/call all different times/no secrecy etc. I obviously stopped speaking/said wasn't interested when I found this out. Since then he has sent a few messages asking if I would consider a arrangement to meet weekly (in hotel) for sex, as he wants a long term woman/arrangement like this in exchange for money. He is Turkish,I am English. He is rich, I am poor. I don't think I will do It as it doesn't sit well but am I unreasonable to be tempted a bit by 600 a month when I am really struggling for money right now, in rent arrears, in overdraft soon as I am paid etc and before I knew he was married I did find him attractive and would of slept with him on the next date anyway I think. It feels wrong and dirty but is it really unreasonable to have thought about it and not said automatic no when you are really struggling with money, I considered to do it for around 6 months to clear my overdraft so I could start fresh as I can never catch up with that

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NuitDeSable · 02/04/2025 14:35

He's grooming you for him and his mates!

I bet he's from a different culture as this is the modus operandi to groom girls and women.

He will present as being well to do and married so that you are at arms length and he can tell you any old nonsense because he thinks you are gullible.

If you say yes to £600 he knows you are going to be an easy target to put into prostitution.

You are walking into a a trap and will belong to a gang of men, to be passed around.

BatchCookBabe · 02/04/2025 14:35

Is size 12 big now then is it? Confused

MissDoubleU · 02/04/2025 14:34

redbull5 · 02/04/2025 12:48

Well I guess his wife would be hurt by it...I've been cheated on before and it's not nice. I know it's not my duty to her etc it's his but it still feels wrong even though I don't know anything about her I just know she exists. But if it is not me it will just be the next woman etc. anyway I am too scared incase it is a trafficking thing like people have said, is that how that happens? I don't know. I'm not particularly attractive even, I'm not ugly but I'm not stunning size 12 so I don't really understand why I was propositioned for this as never have anything like this before and actually I would say he's a fair bit more attractive than me, and was charming/lovely, so it's made my senses on edge that it is something dodgy like that and that's how reel you in? But maybe I am being paranoid, I don't know

Why does your size matter..? Some men (and women!) have a genuine preference for women size 18+ and wouldn’t personally rate or sleep with anyone under a size 12. It always gets me when people mention their size in relation to their attractiveness. You clearly need to get out more and speak to more men (as I’m gathering that is your preference!) to find out how highly sought after women of all sizes happen to be!

BatchCookBabe · 02/04/2025 14:33

redbull5 · 02/04/2025 14:24

Yeah I guess 600 per month, so say 150 a week for 2/3 hours daytime sex, that I would of probably happily of done if he wasn't married and it was more natural just because we was dating kind of thing, I probably would of had sex with him weekly or so if we was dating normally, it's just that it changes it. It becomes a arrangement. And it's weird.

Confused Even if he was not married you would still have done it?

Ewwwwwwww. 😖

BatchCookBabe · 02/04/2025 14:31

EmmaEmEmz · 02/04/2025 09:29

It's prostitution.

He's married.

Have some respect for yourself and his poor wife.

This. ^

Fitzcarraldo353 · 02/04/2025 14:30

One of my fears about this arrangement would be your ability to enforce boundaries in terms of what you consent to. If he's buying you he may refuse to accept that there are sexual activities you don't want to do or won't do. I mean that's always a risk with any guy but this demonstrably shifts power dynamics.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 02/04/2025 14:29

He wants to meet 4 times a month for 600?

You are literally selling yourself short.

Sex work wouldn't exist if we didn't live in a patriarchal society where women are seen as commodities to buy/sell/trade... But a woman in a dire financial situation is the last person I will lecture on morality.

Think about yourself in 5 years, when you could be doing okay money wise. Will the thought of you doing sex work make you feel dirty, used, shameful?

If so, do not do it. A short term fix is not worth a lifetime of mental health issues surrounding intimacy and sex.

If you think you will be fine and you want to do it, then I would be asking for a more realistic number.

Make sure he pays for the entire month at once at the beginning, or at the very least in advance before each time. Do not let him "owe" you. Do not let him pay via PayPal or similar where he can claw the money back and call you a scammer (it could affect your ability to use banks).

I know a woman who did this for several years. She is happy she did it, but I feel sad she felt she had to in the first place.

Edit: My friend charged 300 per time and double that for anal. I forgot to add that she was doing the same as you are considering. She only did it with one man at a time. I guess it's a sugar baby arrangement. Your guy is probably on that seeking arrangements website lol

Ace56 · 02/04/2025 14:29

I think pp are right, that if he’s paying for it he will expect degrading acts or things he would never do with his wife. That’s the difference. If you were a girlfriend or an equal partner then you’d just say no or he wouldn’t ask you to do these things. I’d be scared of saying no as what will happen then? Potentially the possibility of violence

redbull5 · 02/04/2025 14:24

Yeah I guess 600 per month, so say 150 a week for 2/3 hours daytime sex, that I would of probably happily of done if he wasn't married and it was more natural just because we was dating kind of thing, I probably would of had sex with him weekly or so if we was dating normally, it's just that it changes it. It becomes a arrangement. And it's weird.

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redbull5 · 02/04/2025 14:22

Well obviously I'm not sure of his exact finances but I do know he has succesful business as we have spoke for a while before meeting facetime calls etc, I just know he is a lot more financially secure than I am right now, he dresses well,drive nice car, I've seen him daily for probably 2 months online so pictures/videos/face times in the same business ( home design/furniture store) he always pay for dates, says in his culture men look after women in that way, although I did offer to split lunch etc. I know where he works, so if he was a predator It wouldn't be hard to find him as I have checked reviews of his workplace and they mention him by name etc, but it's just morally I don't like he has a wife. And I'm also scared of it is something not legitimate or dodgy and also I don't fancy him so much now as he obviously lied to me for 3 dates, not the end of the world for me, but I also don't really like it, so yeah the money would be welcome but I think Its too risky really

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orangedream · 02/04/2025 14:11

I suspect he's not rich and you'd never see any money for your work. £600 per month is an oddly low amount for someone to offer for this amount of sex work. Is he all flash talk about money but really has very little?

WoodyOwl · 02/04/2025 13:51

I don't think you are unreasonable to consider it. If you are stressed about money and this is a means to paying off debt for something that you were considering doing anyway, see it as a bonus.

But do consider it from all angles...

How long are you prepared to do this for?
What price are you willing to accept?
What are you prepared to do for this money? (Is it just sex or will it be dinner/dates too?)
What are your boundaries (condoms, positions, kinks, bondage, STD tests beforehand etc)?
What if he turned up with a friend?
What if he wants to do something you say no to - will he feel entitled to do it anyway because he has paid you?
What if he filmed it and blackmailed you or put it on a revenge porn site?
Do you have another way to make the money (eg. ask him for £2k or you show his wife the screenshots...)

The fact that he is married and using a dating site shows he is not entirely trustworthy.

For me, it would be too risky and it isn't what I'm looking for, but it is sensible to consider these things.

Lurkingandlearning · 02/04/2025 13:46

PalmTreeAngel · 02/04/2025 13:41

This I would consider as escorting not prostitution. I think there is a difference.

Personally OP, I wouldn’t do it. I feel you are worth more than that, and I’d be aware it could harm your self-esteem in the long run.

Edited

An escort provides company only. Once sex is sold it becomes prostitution.

PalmTreeAngel · 02/04/2025 13:41

This I would consider as escorting not prostitution. I think there is a difference.

Personally OP, I wouldn’t do it. I feel you are worth more than that, and I’d be aware it could harm your self-esteem in the long run.

Lurkingandlearning · 02/04/2025 13:41

If you take all the moral issues out of this for a moment, just ask yourself the following questions.

You know he is a liar so how can you be sure he would actually pay you? Would you get your whole month’s wages in advance? Does he intend to deduct the price of the hotel rooms from the £600?

Some sex workers do have regular customers, but what he is asking for is exclusive access. I don’t know but I think they would charge an awful lot more for that service than what he’s offering. That suggests he sees you as a low value whore. Or maybe it is because he hasn’t had sex with you yet so is unsure of the quality of the service you would provide. Are you prepared for him to renegotiate if he decides to pay you less?

What put you in the financial straits you find yourself in? If you can’t manage on your wages, how likely is it that this would only be a short term solution? You could find yourself dependent on him until he tires of you and then, within a short time, be back in the same position.

But at that point you will feel very differently about yourself. It’s very unlikely the experience will leave you feeling empowered, more likely your self esteem will be destroyed and your mental health shattered. Will you be able to afford the long term therapy you will need to recover from that?

I’m wondering if you see this as some sort of Pretty Woman situation. Don’t. It’s fiction. You would be far better off googling to find the official agencies that are there to help with debt management. The citizens advice bureau is the first that springs to mind. Beware of private companies that will charge you for advice, they are not what you need and are often scammers. But to be fair they won’t give you an STD.

Brefugee · 02/04/2025 13:39

I don't really understand why I was propositioned for this

Because if you don't ask, you don't get? He was chancing his arm. All you need to do is say no and block him

orangedream · 02/04/2025 13:36

He doesn't seem that rich if he is offering you less than the going rate for sex work. He wants a discounted sex worker?

If you're going to do this to yourself, you might as well get paid properly for it.

YourBestFriend · 02/04/2025 13:31

NuitDeSable · 02/04/2025 09:54

Chances are when you get to the hotel room there will be more than one man waiting in there.

Don't degrade yourself even further my prostituting your body go someone who sees you as nothing but a place to insert his penis.

Do you really think you'd ever see the money once they're done with you? You'll be man Ed and end up working for him or even trafficked.

You have watched too many movies.

YourBestFriend · 02/04/2025 13:27

OP, you are getting an undeserved bashing on this thread.
Times are really tough right now, and I understand why you would consider it.
Given the arranged natures of the proposal, with a clear layout in duration and frequency, and as long as it does not involve anything seedy, I would not judge you if you decide to partake.

redbull5 · 02/04/2025 13:17

TwistedWonder · 02/04/2025 13:07

Ok I’ve reread the OP and I apologise to her for saying she’s already fucked him however I stand by the rest of my post.

Edited

Well yes he is the one on tinder, who went on 3 day time dates whilst married, not me, I am not married, and I had no reason to believe he was, I also didn't have sex with him, they were quite nice standard dates with no sex, and I also didn't come up with this idea, and actually didn't reply when he said he was married, and then said I wasn't interested further...then this, so I don't really think is my fault I went on dates with married man as I tend to believe people wanting to date that they are single 🤷

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TwistedWonder · 02/04/2025 13:07

EnjoythemoneyJane · 02/04/2025 13:02

She hasn’t. As you’d know if you’d actually read her posts properly before dropping in full of judgement and righteous indignation.

Ok I’ve reread the OP and I apologise to her for saying she’s already fucked him however I stand by the rest of my post.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 02/04/2025 13:02

TwistedWonder · 02/04/2025 12:49

So you are considering being a prostitute for a married man because he’s rich? Just wow

Life isn’t like pretty woman you know. You’ve already fucked another woman’s husband, don’t degrade yourself further by allowing this scum to pay for use of your vagina

She hasn’t. As you’d know if you’d actually read her posts properly before dropping in full of judgement and righteous indignation.

andHelenknowsimmiserablenow · 02/04/2025 12:56

Leaving aside any questions about morals, you don't know for certain about his finances.
As PP said, he could be grooming you for trafficking with his friends / associates.
Maybe I am also bieng paranoid, but
you could be at risk of blackmail, assault, rape anything!

JHound · 02/04/2025 12:51

Also I cannot imagine wanting to have sex with a man who cannot even convince his own wife to have sex with him.

And somebody who has demonstrated women’s boundaries mean little to him.

Doolallies · 02/04/2025 12:49

If you’re gonna do this ffs ask for more money

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