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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:07

Just would like some input on this.

Im being asked to send money to my sons bank account to then go into his parent pay to cover meals and school trips. I have no issue in doing this as I do earn more than his mother. I have asked to be given the details for parent pay so I can send the money directly as I also do not have access to his bank account so I have no proof that the money is actually being used for school meals and trips etc.

To give context I first asked for bank access when the acct was set up (9 years now) and to parent pay when he started at the school. My ex partner has always refused me access to both. I have until now not pushed back on this and now im doing so she is emailing me the same email about paying repeatedly.

I am more than happy to pay it I just want to see where the money goes.

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Ronsealit · 01/04/2025 12:12

Email the school directly and they can send you a code to set up Parent Pay.

dogcatkitten · 01/04/2025 12:10

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:55

I would need copies of birth certs to set up savings accts and Im not permitted to have those. I have asked as has my mother. But its been refused.

You can order birth certificates, you don't need anyone's permission, it just costs a few pounds. It's easy if you know the date and place of birth, if it's in the UK.

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:09

SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 12:05

It is not unreasonable for you to get your own copy of the child's birth certificate, that you want. She does not have to facilitate you in this. You can easily achieve it for yourself for a few pounds, why on earth wouldn't you do it? And it reduces the need for you to interact with your ex, so I'd have thought it was a win-win.

I will have to do this. I thought asking for it would be the decent thing to do as getting a copy felt like I was being "sneeky"

Im trying at all times to be reasonable about everything. I just ask for simple things. I dont ask for the world and for a break down of things just a "ok fine can I know where at least"

This past weekend I planned on seeing my family on saturday so they had mothers day at home. But come friday they had all gone away and I didnt know where or when they would come back. I didnt want an exact address I just wanted to know a town so I could be sure of their safety and hers. I called and left a VM and nothing. They came back Sunday night is all I know. It meant my time with my eldest and his swimming coach was missed and I couldnt cancel it.

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onwardsup4 · 01/04/2025 12:07

Still confused but like pp said you should be able to get a log in for the parent pay account, but even if it has already been paid why does it matter if you pay after and she uses it for her car?

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 12:06

So, instead of solving the issue for the benefit of the children, you are just going to bleat about how she is being unfair?

And before you get on your high horse about how as a man you're being treated more meanly than a woman would... rubbish. women are routinely told on here that they just have to suck it up if their ex is being a dick. that yup, it's not fair, but there's not a lot they can do about it. Although, I'd ask a different question - why is it that you aren't willing to pay th emoney or put the effort in for a birth certificate, but you expect HER to track it down, and give you HER copy with no guarantee she'll get it back, at which point she then has to do the work to order a new copy? Or a third question - perhaps she doesn't want you putting money for the chidlren into a bank account she can't access? She needs the money to pay for things NOW, not as a saving for later and you seem to be suggesting you'l put the. money into their accounts rather than hers. That's not terribly helfpul for day to day costs, is it?

So decide what you are willing and able to pay and, assuming it is at least the equivalent of CMS or more, pay that. Stop demanding receipts - you're clearly not goign to get them. If you think school meals is something you can and should pay for - contact the school, check the menu, see what the price is, and transfer sufficient cash for your DS to eat xx school meals per week.

And yes, if you want a birth certificate and she won't give it to you, pay the £12 to order a new one. And if you want to know what the real cost of school trips is.... get yourself added to the school's email distribution list so that you can receive the same information she does and attend the same meetings about what is happening as she does. Stop being so passive.

SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 12:05

It is not unreasonable for you to get your own copy of the child's birth certificate, that you want. She does not have to facilitate you in this. You can easily achieve it for yourself for a few pounds, why on earth wouldn't you do it? And it reduces the need for you to interact with your ex, so I'd have thought it was a win-win.

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:04

onwardsup4 · 01/04/2025 12:02

This is confusing , you offered for a year and she said no. She is now asking for your help but you are suspicious of this and what she’s doing with it? Assuming he eats at school and has school trips this needs paying for anyway doesn’t it?

It does but there wouldn't be this issue if as I wanted all along that this was split 5050.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:03

I do love how this turns on me being unreasonable. This is one small issue in a bigger set in all honesty as presently she wont give me back my own passport.

There is also the issue of when I asked "where are you taking the boys for the weekend" I get nothing.

I am trying to be the one who is open and honest and Id rather not have to chase a million things down when I should be able to ask and the other parent acts in a reasonable manner.

Ill hand over any money thats needed. I dont mind never will. But in return for my cooperation I would only ask for some answers in response.

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onwardsup4 · 01/04/2025 12:02

This is confusing , you offered for a year and she said no. She is now asking for your help but you are suspicious of this and what she’s doing with it? Assuming he eats at school and has school trips this needs paying for anyway doesn’t it?

SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 12:02

Blimey. She's not putting up barriers, she doesn't have to give you the original of the birth cert when you could get a copy for about £10 I think. Help yourself out here.

Balloonney · 01/04/2025 12:01

Why not go through CMS? If you begrudge this then I honestly don't believe you're spending above and beyond what you'd be legally liable to pay out of the goodness of your heart. This way it's formalised and no back and forth and asking for top ups- I'm sure you've already considered this though.

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 12:00

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 11:58

You know you can just apply for a copy yourself?

Sorry OP, but I'm getting major "I'm the victim becuase my ex won't do whatever I want whenever I want even though I could actually step up and do it myself" vibes from you.

I understand your thoughts but why when im one parent should I be forced to pay for additional copes of a birth cert?

If you co parent there shouldnt be odd barriers set up by the mother when im not doing the same.

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SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 11:59

You can get a copy of your own child's birth certificate yourself, you apply online for a small fee. You don't need the mother's permission.

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:59

MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 11:48

Yes, so perhaps she thinks that actually, she's out of money because she's been paying for all the school meals and all the school trips and has realised that actually, it would be good if YOU paid some of those, which is only fair. and then she will have more money, yes, that she can use to fix her car.

A more helpful solution would be for you and her to agree what costs there are for the children over th eyear (or do it by term or by month - whatever works), and how you will split that, and then you simply pay your half directly to her. Assuming she is the one doing all the admin of ensuring the parentpay account is topped up or the children get to go to their activities.

Or are you only willing to pay for school meals and school trips under certain conditions?

this mindset from men really really winds me up. You pay your share. Yes, that reduces the burden on HER and yes, gasp, maybe that means she has a little spare cash to go to the pub or get her hair done. But that's not becuase you are subsidising her. It's because she's no longer paying ALL the bills for the children and therefore actually has some money for herself.

As I mentioned in other posts ive been more than happy to pay when im asked. My issue is that it comes randomly and I dont have certain access that I should have. I offered to split everything 5050 with her as at the time it would have left us in a greater financial situation. We would have had a surplus.

Initially she agreed and a joint acct was set up and I paid all my earnings from two jobs into this account and she used it to pay for all she needed by she did not pay anything in.

Thats not 5050. I even broke down all the spending and showed that IF a true 5050 split was in place we would have had the money for a holiday she wanted. But she refused to contribute whilst spending my income.

I have no gripe with anything she does for herself or them. Its always with their best interests. But I would simply like the access im allowed. I dont have that.

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MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 11:58

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:55

I would need copies of birth certs to set up savings accts and Im not permitted to have those. I have asked as has my mother. But its been refused.

You know you can just apply for a copy yourself?

Sorry OP, but I'm getting major "I'm the victim becuase my ex won't do whatever I want whenever I want even though I could actually step up and do it myself" vibes from you.

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:55

Justme2023123 · 01/04/2025 11:48

I share a parent pay account with my ex. We've each got our own bank cards on there so that he can pay for breakfast club (which only he uses) and I tend to pay for everything else because I'm more organised and like to settle the payment requests when they come in. He can't see anything confidential as there's nothing else stored on there, it doesn't show my bank account details, and he already has my address and email address so there's nothing to hide. Obviously this wouldn't work for exes who have issues.
If you can't get access to the parent pay account, or your son's bank account, you can set up a separate savings account in your son's name and you and his grandparents can pay into there, @Kingof93

I would need copies of birth certs to set up savings accts and Im not permitted to have those. I have asked as has my mother. But its been refused.

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MattCauthon · 01/04/2025 11:48

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:34

I dont think she is starving them at all. But I know that she has had bills for her car recently and has just come back from a holiday and suddenly im asked for more.

I dont ever question giving it. I always say yes you can have it but can I see some proof this isnt just topping up your income.

Yes, so perhaps she thinks that actually, she's out of money because she's been paying for all the school meals and all the school trips and has realised that actually, it would be good if YOU paid some of those, which is only fair. and then she will have more money, yes, that she can use to fix her car.

A more helpful solution would be for you and her to agree what costs there are for the children over th eyear (or do it by term or by month - whatever works), and how you will split that, and then you simply pay your half directly to her. Assuming she is the one doing all the admin of ensuring the parentpay account is topped up or the children get to go to their activities.

Or are you only willing to pay for school meals and school trips under certain conditions?

this mindset from men really really winds me up. You pay your share. Yes, that reduces the burden on HER and yes, gasp, maybe that means she has a little spare cash to go to the pub or get her hair done. But that's not becuase you are subsidising her. It's because she's no longer paying ALL the bills for the children and therefore actually has some money for herself.

Justme2023123 · 01/04/2025 11:48

I share a parent pay account with my ex. We've each got our own bank cards on there so that he can pay for breakfast club (which only he uses) and I tend to pay for everything else because I'm more organised and like to settle the payment requests when they come in. He can't see anything confidential as there's nothing else stored on there, it doesn't show my bank account details, and he already has my address and email address so there's nothing to hide. Obviously this wouldn't work for exes who have issues.
If you can't get access to the parent pay account, or your son's bank account, you can set up a separate savings account in your son's name and you and his grandparents can pay into there, @Kingof93

MellowPinkDeer · 01/04/2025 11:43

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:42

Thank you. I guess im calling the school.

Do. I can’t see his saved cards or anything so it’s not like we share one account like a previous poster has said, but they are linked somehow so it’s shows all the kids things and we can both pay direct for stuff.

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:42

MellowPinkDeer · 01/04/2025 11:41

You absolutely can. We do it. I am not sure if it’s the same but it shows the same re the kids and the balance when he adds dinner money etc is shown to me as the kids balance. So you absolutely can have access to this info and pay direct.

Thank you. I guess im calling the school.

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MellowPinkDeer · 01/04/2025 11:41

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:39

Thank you this explains a great deal. SO I cant access the parent pay but I know you can give joint access to a childs savings account. I dont have that.

You absolutely can. We do it. I am not sure if it’s the same but it shows the same re the kids and the balance when he adds dinner money etc is shown to me as the kids balance. So you absolutely can have access to this info and pay direct.

Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:41

SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 11:36

It is "topping up" her income, because of your shared child. She does not have to provide itemised accounts to you to justify what you give her.

If you disagree with what she's asking for, then go via the CMS and get it arranged formally.

Im not asking for itemised accounts. Just to know that this isn't helping her when for a year and more I offered and was told no.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:39

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/04/2025 11:35

You can't have access to her parent pay account, as it would give you access to her personal information - phone numbers, emails, bank account, payment card details. And as it's possible for an account holder to request a refund of any monies that are paid into an account, fall foul of money laundering legislation. So that's not going happen and if the school find out, they'd immediately need to freeze the account until it's secure again.

You could if you're the #2 contact on the school's MIS and have parental responsibility, ask the school finance department to set up a second payer account.

Thank you this explains a great deal. SO I cant access the parent pay but I know you can give joint access to a childs savings account. I dont have that.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:38

SilenceInside · 01/04/2025 11:34

Just because she may have paid it already doesn't mean you shouldn't contribute towards these costs.

You can't "have access" to a bank account that isn't yours and where the person responsible for it doesn't want to be a joint account holder with you.

What does " I know for a fact that when my parents have sent money to my son its been denied by the mother." mean? Do you mean she's not passed the money on to your son's bank account, or that she has refused to accept it?

My parents send all the grand children an equal amount of money each month. When Ive asked did the money from my parents come i was told no they get nothing from your parents.

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Kingof93 · 01/04/2025 11:37

BlinkFifteen · 01/04/2025 11:34

@Doolallies My friend's parents were divorced in the 90s. Her Mum would say she needs a new school coat, her Dad would transfer the money to the Mum and she never got a coat. Repeat for lots of other "items" she needed. At 14 her Dad started buying her things directly as well as paying the usual child maintenance. Not all parents are trustworthy.

@Kingof93 Contact the school re setting up another parent pay account for your child and ask for their guidance. That is what I would do. If you are not already on the email list get put on that too so you are informed as to what is going on in school.

Exactly this. I would just like some clarity on why all of a sudden im asked to do this.

I have previously offered without any issue to pay 50% of everything. I was told no I can pay for it all.

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