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To not go to a friend’s party because she still owes me money?

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SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 09:44

They are DH’s friends really more than mine, and have borrowed money from us to help out their son buy a house. That was a year ago. She’s now having a massive 50th party and is very keen for us all to go. She’s also been on holiday (flying business class she raved to us - it was a gift apparently.) We’ve asked for the money back three times now and she said it’s so hard to take out loans and her other property didn’t sell, problems with tenants etc.

Anyway, I would prefer to cut her off and get solicitors involved. DH trusts her he said and thinks they’re just putting the house on the market and will give the money back. He sees her more often than me as they work close by. He doesn’t want to end it and thinks I’m being petty, it’s just a matter of time. In the meantime she advised us to remortgage our property (which me and DH argued about and a) I resent the arguing and b) point blank refused.

It’s time to get solicitors involved I feel. (Money amount 40k)

OP posts:
Calliopespa · 01/04/2025 11:11

kweenkweenie · 01/04/2025 11:10

Well, OP herself agrees so there you go.

I think we are past wondering if it was foolish. But people make mistakes and it’s not unreasonable to try to rectify them.

kweenkweenie · 01/04/2025 11:10

Aworldofwonder · 01/04/2025 11:03

Do you think it's helpful to a person who is looking for advice?

Well, OP herself agrees so there you go.

Calliopespa · 01/04/2025 11:10

Kissedbyfire1 · 01/04/2025 11:03

But not being able to get the tenants out so she can sell the house is a her problem not a you problem. She needs to find the money from another source, like a loan from a proper lender, but of course why would she do that and pay interest when you can effectively pay that interest for her?
As I said up thread, you’re not getting the money back, your Dh has gifted it to her.

Is there an entry on your DH’s bank statement such as “ loan to x”?

Or did he put a recipient description such as “ loan from OP and DH.”?

You just need something to demonstrate the characterisation of it.

If she has given an update about her plans for repayment, I’d latch onto that and say “ ok, fine, we understand about the tenants but can we just put the plan in writing so we have something to work from. Otherwise I’m afraid we are going to need you to repay it now.” Of course she won’t just repay but she might just stave you off by agreeing to the repayment schedule - esp if you have a provision such as delays can be agreed. Not ideal, but what you are really needing is HER CONCESSION that repayment is envisaged. If you can bluff her into that with friendly terms, you will be in a stronger position.

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 11:09

Mumblesoldbloke · 01/04/2025 11:07

I noticed she has been giving financial advice, is she a qualified financial advisor?

Yes. That’s why DH trusts her. She has her own business. She wouldn’t do this? It would ruin her if people found out she is taking money from people like this?

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AnonymousBleep · 01/04/2025 11:08

It's a con. Why was she even asking your husband to borrow £40K for her son's house? Who does that? How would it even come up? She's seen an opportunity to get her hands on that money and she's taken it. It's not even your money, it's loaned! Is your husband out of his mind? This is probably what's paying for her massive birthday bash.

Sorry, but I'd brace yourself for never getting it back. She'll be nice to you until you insist on the getting that money, and then you won't see her for dust.

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 11:07

kweenkweenie · 01/04/2025 11:00

You don’t think it’s foolish to lend 40k without signing anything, no?

Would you mind lending me 50k, if I promise to pay you back sooner or later or never?

I agree. What a foolish thing. I have not lent many people money myself. My cousin once. I got every penny back and box of chocolates.

OP posts:
Mumblesoldbloke · 01/04/2025 11:07

I noticed she has been giving financial advice, is she a qualified financial advisor?

BlondeMummyto1 · 01/04/2025 11:07

The tenants thing sounds like an excuse. When was the money transferred?

TranceNation · 01/04/2025 11:03

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 10:58

Her son had a divorce needed to move out, he has two kids so wanted to live close by. We know them all, had been to weddings and they’d been to our events and parties. During the renovation they had the problems and apologised they couldn’t help us (we didn’t ask them to, we didn’t need them to)

and told us the problem their son was having buying a place asap. He was living with his ex and had to move out. They got DH on his own to ask for the money for a very short period. The son divorce kids story is all legit and true, I have bumped into him too and the son has thanked us for helping him.

Your husband was been extremely negligent with your personal finances providing a personal loan with no legal framework. I'm actually speechless someone would do such a irresponsible action such as that.

I really don't know what to suggest. It's going to be extremely difficult in this current climate of high household bills to reclaim that money from a single dad bar friends son selling the house.

I would actually go to the party and look to have a chat with her son to get an understanding of his personal finances and what his intention is to repay your loan.

Aworldofwonder · 01/04/2025 11:03

kweenkweenie · 01/04/2025 11:00

You don’t think it’s foolish to lend 40k without signing anything, no?

Would you mind lending me 50k, if I promise to pay you back sooner or later or never?

Do you think it's helpful to a person who is looking for advice?

Kissedbyfire1 · 01/04/2025 11:03

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 10:41

He had a conversation yesterday with her about this. She had said end of March! Now it’s April. Her problems are that she can’t get her tenants out to put her house up for sale, and as soon as it’s sold she will give us that money back.

But not being able to get the tenants out so she can sell the house is a her problem not a you problem. She needs to find the money from another source, like a loan from a proper lender, but of course why would she do that and pay interest when you can effectively pay that interest for her?
As I said up thread, you’re not getting the money back, your Dh has gifted it to her.

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 11:02

LavenderFields7 · 01/04/2025 10:58

Could the son of your friend actually be your husbands?

Haha Unfortunately, no.

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TheFrendo · 01/04/2025 11:01

I agree with you that you should go the legal route.Take her to court and go to the party.

kweenkweenie · 01/04/2025 11:00

Aworldofwonder · 01/04/2025 10:56

What a horrible post

You don’t think it’s foolish to lend 40k without signing anything, no?

Would you mind lending me 50k, if I promise to pay you back sooner or later or never?

Whyherewego · 01/04/2025 10:59

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 10:54

Yes, I feel like I should get written agreement from her BEFORE I go to the party. Or take it to the party for her to sign in a corner.

Be careful OP. Cornered people tend to lash out and people who are deceitful will always deceive.
She works in Finance so well knows that without an agreement it's hard to enforce. You're not in a great position if all you have is a text message.
Maybe write her an email saying "dear CF, I know that you're waiting on the house sale before paying us back the £40k, but unfortunately we are in a sticky situation as we cannot afford our remortgage/loan (insert reason you are poor ) and so I'm really sorry to do this but can we get at least some of it back sooner? We are really in a pickle here"

Be nice, ham up the impact on you and see what she writes back. This then gives you ideally the acknowledgement that she owes you and when she's intending on paying it back. Bear in mind that a civil court case like this is not quick and won't be resolved before April anyway.
So you've no short term gain in antagonising her and by being nice you hopefully get a stronger position for when/if she doesn't pay back in April.

BlondeMummyto1 · 01/04/2025 10:59

They are continuing the friendship as normal because they are fake people using friends for a lifestyle they can’t afford.

They could have sold two of their four cars
Not went on the business class holiday
Not planned a lavish party…
Paid monthly amounts to get the balance down instead…

If there is ANY fallout over asking cor your own money back then they are not real friends. You have two kids to think about above all else.

LavenderFields7 · 01/04/2025 10:58

Could the son of your friend actually be your husbands?

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 10:58

TranceNation · 01/04/2025 10:53

That's a crazy amount of money to lend with no legal framework to define a regular payback of that loan. I also question why her son needed that loan. If they can't get a loan through the proper avenues then it usually means they are a high risk loan with a poor credit rating.

As for the point in hand and the party: I personally would be reluctant to fall out with friend as seeing as their is no legal framework for repayment she could just walk away from any knowledge of your loan altogether, although she seems to be doing that anyway.

Her son had a divorce needed to move out, he has two kids so wanted to live close by. We know them all, had been to weddings and they’d been to our events and parties. During the renovation they had the problems and apologised they couldn’t help us (we didn’t ask them to, we didn’t need them to)

and told us the problem their son was having buying a place asap. He was living with his ex and had to move out. They got DH on his own to ask for the money for a very short period. The son divorce kids story is all legit and true, I have bumped into him too and the son has thanked us for helping him.

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Thelnebriati · 01/04/2025 10:58

I wonder how many of their other friends have secretly been persuaded to ''lend'' them large sums of cash?

Lazydomestic · 01/04/2025 10:56

I would be concerned that £40k was transferred without the other bank doing anti-money laundering checks - are you sure your DH hasn’t done any declarations saying that it’s a gift not a loan ?
if they were using the money to help with a property purchase they definitely would have had to declare it.

Aworldofwonder · 01/04/2025 10:56

SunsetCocktails · 01/04/2025 09:54

A fool and their money are easily parted, as they say….

What a horrible post

SandrenaIsMyBloodType · 01/04/2025 10:55

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 10:14

I have considered a divorce. DH is always doing this (the savings was burning a hole in his pocket!) but in the past it’s been with family who have always paid it back. No loan agreement. I didn’t event realise he would be this stupid. We have been friends with them for over two decades. They are ‘visibly rich’. Big house, two cars each, gated house. I felt silly to be questioning if they would give it back.

She asked to borrow, she does have a house we know about. We’ve seen it. She did have problems with her tenants who she couldn’t evict and has a court hearing to evict them. Then she can sell the property and give us the money back. This is all true and I believe it. Problem is it’s taken her longer to give us the money back and now we are tied into her selling this house of hers and have to hear about it, keep up with it like it all depends on this. She can afford to give us the money back without selling the house.

I don’t know if I’m being extra anxious and suspicious and DH keeps saying I don’t do risky things etc and has cornered me into feeling like I’m being petty.

I think that, in light of this, and the fact that you do not have any legal paperwork, I would not fall out with them now. They could simply tell a court that it was a gift or that they won it in a card game and it’s your word against theirs. The legal system requires proof in order to act.
You need them to feel morally obligated to pay it back and too embarrassed to let you down.
My parents made a similar (more expensive) mistake and never saw their money repaid.
You’re not being petty but however frustrating this is, all that matters now is getting your money back and they hold more cards than you do.

Endofyear · 01/04/2025 10:55

It was absolute insanity to loan her 40K with no legal agreement! If it was without your consent, I'd be seeking a divorce and getting legal advice. Your husband has shown a complete disregard for your financial stability as a family, this would be unforgivable to me.

Calliopespa · 01/04/2025 10:55

BountifulPantry · 01/04/2025 10:41

You don’t need a signature. You need something from her in writing agreeing it was a loan and agreeing to repayment. Ideally an email.

Sorry signature was paraphrasing.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 01/04/2025 10:54

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 10:50

Do you think she will break up with us to keep this money? We know all her family and know her neighbours and colleagues and some of her clients. We could be very horrible if we had to. DH thinks she’s a very honest person but she is not getting it that we WANT IT BACK ASAP!

I feel like I should text her and tell her I don’t know what arrangements she has made with DH but it was without my consent and I’d like a written legal document stipulating the loan amount and when it will be returned in its entirety.

I would probably do this. What have you got to lose? Apart from the £40k which you might lose anyway without anything in writing. I'd also be making plans to 'lose' your useless husband, as well.