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To not go to a friend’s party because she still owes me money?

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SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 09:44

They are DH’s friends really more than mine, and have borrowed money from us to help out their son buy a house. That was a year ago. She’s now having a massive 50th party and is very keen for us all to go. She’s also been on holiday (flying business class she raved to us - it was a gift apparently.) We’ve asked for the money back three times now and she said it’s so hard to take out loans and her other property didn’t sell, problems with tenants etc.

Anyway, I would prefer to cut her off and get solicitors involved. DH trusts her he said and thinks they’re just putting the house on the market and will give the money back. He sees her more often than me as they work close by. He doesn’t want to end it and thinks I’m being petty, it’s just a matter of time. In the meantime she advised us to remortgage our property (which me and DH argued about and a) I resent the arguing and b) point blank refused.

It’s time to get solicitors involved I feel. (Money amount 40k)

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CantStopMoving · 01/04/2025 13:20

ohtowinthelottery · 01/04/2025 13:17

Apart from those who think this is an April Fool - as it's hard to believe anyone would be so daft as to 'lend' someone £40k they couldn't afford to lose, and without any formal loan agreement, am I the only one wondering how the hell this would pass any financial checks with the mortgage company/solicitors doing the legals for the friend's son's house purchase?
Having gone through the checks for my own DS's house purchase, because we funded a Help2Buy account for him over a number of years, I'm mystified how some random friend of parents giving £40k would pass the checks. Which makes me also think this has to be an April fool!

if you watch the Judge Judy’s and judge Rinder programmes these sort of things happen all the time. People trust their mates and so don’t do the usual due diligence and then get let down. Tale as old as time.

CantStopMoving · 01/04/2025 13:19

I am surprised the lady in question didn’t insists on a loan agreement. At the moment with no written agreement it looks like income so she might be investigated for not declaring . She would need evidence to back up what it is!

skyeisthelimit · 01/04/2025 13:18

Stay away from the party, as you clearly resent her, (with good reason).

Try and get the loan formalised, and ask her to start paying in instalments. If she can afford a fancy party, she can afford to start repaying the loan.

If nothing happens, then find out which professional body she is with and report her. She should not be borrowing money from her clients.

and find a new financial advisor, as this one is not acting in your best interests.

ohtowinthelottery · 01/04/2025 13:17

Apart from those who think this is an April Fool - as it's hard to believe anyone would be so daft as to 'lend' someone £40k they couldn't afford to lose, and without any formal loan agreement, am I the only one wondering how the hell this would pass any financial checks with the mortgage company/solicitors doing the legals for the friend's son's house purchase?
Having gone through the checks for my own DS's house purchase, because we funded a Help2Buy account for him over a number of years, I'm mystified how some random friend of parents giving £40k would pass the checks. Which makes me also think this has to be an April fool!

CheesePlantBoxes · 01/04/2025 13:16

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:10

This is how DH feels. I feel like the party is a leverage. She will have all her colleagues and everyone there, really wants us there. We should get something before this? If not, we do not go to the party and start legal proceedings?

Legal proceedings against what though?

£40k she will say is a gift and you have no evidence to the contrary.

luckyhedgehog33 · 01/04/2025 13:16

could they be having an affair?

Mrsbloggz · 01/04/2025 13:16

As others have suggested it's probably a good strategy to be as nice and friendly as possible, let her think she's got away with it and that you trust her completely. That way she is more likely to let her guard down and it'll be easier to out maneuver her.
If she knows how pissed off you are she'll start putting things in place to make it harder for you to act against her.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2025 13:15

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:10

This is how DH feels. I feel like the party is a leverage. She will have all her colleagues and everyone there, really wants us there. We should get something before this? If not, we do not go to the party and start legal proceedings?

You could check whether Financial Advisers have a professional body and threaten to report her if she turns nasty. As previous posters have said, she would certainly never advise her clients to lend money to friends/family without a watertight legal agreement for repayment in place. What she has done could be considered professional misconduct so the lack of a legal agreement could go against her.

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:14

GnomeDePlume · 01/04/2025 13:10

I'm not assuming affair or anything like that.

I think that DH has been flattered to be asked to lend the money. He was happy showing off to this person whom he perceived as superior to himself.

Unfortunately that is precisely how gullible fools get scammed.

No doubt she presented this as just a teeny tiny amount of money. Not worth her asking for a loan from the bank for. A tinkly laugh will also have been deployed.

The reality is that she is probably up to her eyelids in debt with a dreadful credit rating. I'm a similar age and profession and could easily raise £40k in a couple of days.

This is what my mum said. He suddenly felt rich and is playing with the rich folk and wanted to splash out and show off what a big generous man he was lending to those investment banker types and doctors and financial wizards wow. (What an arse!)

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Conniebygaslight · 01/04/2025 13:13

Are you sure your DH lent it to her and hasn't gambled it/spent it or something else and he's lying about it? I cannot believe that anyone would lend someone 40K and the fact that you talk about 'breaking up with her' is bizarre too.

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:12

Okay I will reread at a slower pace. I’ve just come back for a tea break peak at the replies. I might be playing this angry. DH is sick of me going on about this too he just said.

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GnomeDePlume · 01/04/2025 13:10

I'm not assuming affair or anything like that.

I think that DH has been flattered to be asked to lend the money. He was happy showing off to this person whom he perceived as superior to himself.

Unfortunately that is precisely how gullible fools get scammed.

No doubt she presented this as just a teeny tiny amount of money. Not worth her asking for a loan from the bank for. A tinkly laugh will also have been deployed.

The reality is that she is probably up to her eyelids in debt with a dreadful credit rating. I'm a similar age and profession and could easily raise £40k in a couple of days.

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:10

CheesePlantBoxes · 01/04/2025 13:07

My advice is that you would be crazy to push the angle of wanting a legal document at this point.

Kindly OP, you are so angry (and rightly so) that you are wanting tomapproach this like a bull in china shop and rhst approach will not end well for you.

If you corner her at then party, she will cry, she will be the victim and you will make things 10 times worse.

I would be friendly, actually friendly. Start up a text chat askingnof you cam bring anything to the party, go to the party, put on a happy face and text her after thanking her for the party and laugh about how fun it was. Casually message for a few weeks. Then lead into a conversation about how the house sale is going, how you were hoping you'd have the £40k you lent back in X back by now but understand the delay and say something about it how long it's been and how you had expected it back by Y and you'd really now like it by Z. But..this is key... you need to be friendly and like its a chat. She must acknowledge that there is a debt, how much for, and when you expected it back. Without that she will say its a gift and you're fucked.

Get the money back by legal means after that once you have proof of the loan amd have sought legal advice.

Then divorce your husband.

This is how DH feels. I feel like the party is a leverage. She will have all her colleagues and everyone there, really wants us there. We should get something before this? If not, we do not go to the party and start legal proceedings?

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JudgeJ · 01/04/2025 13:10

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 10:41

He had a conversation yesterday with her about this. She had said end of March! Now it’s April. Her problems are that she can’t get her tenants out to put her house up for sale, and as soon as it’s sold she will give us that money back.

I would ensure that I had a record of such conversations either in writing or recording secretly as they demonstrate that she regards it as a loan to be returned, even if the end date isn't somewhat unclear. He needs to push her for a date for repaying the loan, with interest.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 01/04/2025 13:09

Ohthatsabitshit · 01/04/2025 10:15

Do you have anything in writing?

@SpaceMoo literally has said in the comments above yours, no loan agreement 🤦🏼‍♀️

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/04/2025 13:07

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:04

Sorry to the guys who said not to show DH this thread. Mumsnet has solved many of our problems in the past.
DH has said he will get something in writing from her and I asked why should he be getting scared about getting a simple email or legally binding document from her to say she owes us 40k unless he suspects she’s going to say no, or she’s going to cause problems. Better before the party? He has agreed to ask her for something in writing.

I'm sorry OP but I think it's too late. The time to get something in writing was before the money left his bank account.

You can try the small claims court but with nothing in writing I think you're on a hiding to nothing.

What on earth possessed your husband to do this? Is he stupid in other ways?

I think you need to take full control of the family finances as a condition of staying married to him. If his attitude to savings is that they are burning a hole in his pocket to the extent that he just gives them away to some random person rather than, I don't know, buying a new car (in which case at least you'd have an asset, albeit a depreciating one) then he simply can't be trusted with the password to the online banking.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 01/04/2025 13:07

So she’s a ‘financial advisor’ who

  • knew you had a pot of money suddenly available
  • got your DH alone to talk him into giving her a large, undocumented loan
  • took that money with absolutely nothing in writing to suggest it was a short term loan and not an outright gift
  • did nothing to safeguard your interests or give you a legitimate timeframe, because ‘trust’ and because ‘friends’
  • knows you’re now paying interest on loans (ie subsidising her cheeky fuckery and her wealthy family even further) because she’s shamelessly taken your savings and left you with your backs against the wall
  • is taking business class holidays and throwing lavish parties whilst leaving you in debt
  • has suggested you remortgage your home (what the ever-living actual fuck?!) to cover the deficit caused by her

She wouldn’t be the first highly respected, known-in-the-community FA who turns out to be a crook living high on the hog off other people’s hard-earned money, OP. There are plenty of them about, and they often involve friends and family in their scheming. Sounds like her financial chops are mainly directed towards feathering her own nest - being plausible enough to part fools from their cash and doing it so smoothly they don’t realise they’ve been done until it’s too late.

You need legal advice asap, and you also need to start keeping a running tally of what her ‘interest free loan’ is actually costing you in interest on other loans. The whole thing is mad as fuck and you’ve both been unbelievably gullible. I hope you get at least some of it back, but honestly, it doesn’t look good, does it?

CheesePlantBoxes · 01/04/2025 13:07

My advice is that you would be crazy to push the angle of wanting a legal document at this point.

Kindly OP, you are so angry (and rightly so) that you are wanting tomapproach this like a bull in china shop and rhst approach will not end well for you.

If you corner her at then party, she will cry, she will be the victim and you will make things 10 times worse.

I would be friendly, actually friendly. Start up a text chat askingnof you cam bring anything to the party, go to the party, put on a happy face and text her after thanking her for the party and laugh about how fun it was. Casually message for a few weeks. Then lead into a conversation about how the house sale is going, how you were hoping you'd have the £40k you lent back in X back by now but understand the delay and say something about it how long it's been and how you had expected it back by Y and you'd really now like it by Z. But..this is key... you need to be friendly and like its a chat. She must acknowledge that there is a debt, how much for, and when you expected it back. Without that she will say its a gift and you're fucked.

Get the money back by legal means after that once you have proof of the loan amd have sought legal advice.

Then divorce your husband.

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:06

HygerTyger · 01/04/2025 13:02

💯 agree. financially illiterate is exactly the right phrase. 'Friend' being a financial advisor/planner wouldn't have advised her clients to do this. And she most certainly wouldn't have made such a foolish decision herself. So she was happy for your idiot dh to do something she knew was a very bad move. Some friend she is.

I showed DH this. He agreed. Thank you.

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Strictlymad · 01/04/2025 13:06

HygerTyger · 01/04/2025 13:02

💯 agree. financially illiterate is exactly the right phrase. 'Friend' being a financial advisor/planner wouldn't have advised her clients to do this. And she most certainly wouldn't have made such a foolish decision herself. So she was happy for your idiot dh to do something she knew was a very bad move. Some friend she is.

Absolutely! Savvy on her part not to pay the interest! Let your mug of a dh do it. Make contact- suss out the lat of the land, maybe hint at her reputation of this gets out, and if all else fails go to the party prepared with some not so subtle comments

Mrsbloggz · 01/04/2025 13:05

CandidGreenSquid · 01/04/2025 13:00

This sounds awfully messy. I don’t want to make you any more anxious than you already are, but I used to work for a FA firm that had basically had one of the FAs and one of the admin scamming people out of money in the personal time. Without going into too much detail, it was family, friends and friends of friends that they were scamming. They were doing deals of an evening in the bar/restaurant after work and people trusted them for the exact reason your DH trusts this woman. Some people will risk their career and integrity if they think they can get away with it. I won’t divulge exactly how it all ended for the people I know who were doing it, but it was a really shit ending for all concerned. I only say this because I think your DH has been incredibly naive and stupid really. Really hope you get this sorted out. Good luck x

Presumably others trusted this financial advisor because they are an expert in finances.
It did not occur to them that being an expert in finance means you know just how little others understand and how easy is to fool them😬🤦🏻‍♀️

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:04

Sorry to the guys who said not to show DH this thread. Mumsnet has solved many of our problems in the past.
DH has said he will get something in writing from her and I asked why should he be getting scared about getting a simple email or legally binding document from her to say she owes us 40k unless he suspects she’s going to say no, or she’s going to cause problems. Better before the party? He has agreed to ask her for something in writing.

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Mrsbloggz · 01/04/2025 13:02

Aside from the sheer folly of lending this money in the first place I would go to the party in order to case the joint and see what I could repossess to offset the money I had lost.

HygerTyger · 01/04/2025 13:02

CarrieOnComplaining · 01/04/2025 11:30

You are not being petty.

And it is financially illiterate to be paying finance / interest on your refurb loans while she has your money interest free. By the way - the current interest in a savings account on £40k for year is about £2k . So your DH has in effect given them £2k. More if the finance for your refurb is at higher interest rate.

I do agree with getting legal advice.

Then - do you know her well enough to go to her and say 'look, DH is a soft hearted. loyal friend, but you might not realise that we can't actually afford to continue lending you this money. I know you are waiting for the sale of the house, but it would save a lot of upset within our household if you could repay by other means now. We've known each other a long time and I want to be honest and say it is affecting the friendship at the moment'

Not to be morbid, but contracts and wills are for when the unthinkable strikes - if she and her DH meet with something fatal your £40k will not be recoverable.

I wonder how often, as a financial advisor, she tells clients to splash huge sums of money around without any form of protection?

💯 agree. financially illiterate is exactly the right phrase. 'Friend' being a financial advisor/planner wouldn't have advised her clients to do this. And she most certainly wouldn't have made such a foolish decision herself. So she was happy for your idiot dh to do something she knew was a very bad move. Some friend she is.

godmum56 · 01/04/2025 13:02

BlondeMummyto1 · 01/04/2025 09:49

You were crazy to lend someone’s child 40k. Go and ask them when they’re paying it back in front of their guests.

This. See how your nutcase of a husband likes THEM apples.

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