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To not go to a friend’s party because she still owes me money?

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SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 09:44

They are DH’s friends really more than mine, and have borrowed money from us to help out their son buy a house. That was a year ago. She’s now having a massive 50th party and is very keen for us all to go. She’s also been on holiday (flying business class she raved to us - it was a gift apparently.) We’ve asked for the money back three times now and she said it’s so hard to take out loans and her other property didn’t sell, problems with tenants etc.

Anyway, I would prefer to cut her off and get solicitors involved. DH trusts her he said and thinks they’re just putting the house on the market and will give the money back. He sees her more often than me as they work close by. He doesn’t want to end it and thinks I’m being petty, it’s just a matter of time. In the meantime she advised us to remortgage our property (which me and DH argued about and a) I resent the arguing and b) point blank refused.

It’s time to get solicitors involved I feel. (Money amount 40k)

OP posts:
Underthepalmtree · 01/04/2025 15:19

He's been groomed and played. Deep down he knows it but is lashing out at you because he can't admit it.

Con mum is definitely right. He threw his partner under the bus as well when she tried to point it out to him.

Time to go around him. You can't trust him anymore.

@SpaceMoo you've had loads of advice, what are you going to do?

Thebloodynine · 01/04/2025 15:17

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 15:14

He said, about a month ago that because I haven’t seen them for a while, that I’ve become detached from them. (I swear we were never that close. 3 dinners all year type). They dropped off gifts to our kids at Xmas who are quite young. Their children are older adults and have left home.

DH thinks they have been kind and nice to us (free financial advice and gifts!) and I have no empathy and am selfish. Apparently this is how friends lend to friends to help them out. I did tell his brother which he didn’t want me to do. I said if it’s all above board, let’s keep it transparent and tell your family see if they think you’re a mug. Told them January time and he’s been sleeping in spare room since then from the massive rows. He still has not told her we’re all (my family, his family, my kids included) think he’s a total nob for lending this money.

No, people do not take out £40k in a loan in order to give the money to a friend who apparently has a lot of their own money and great jobs and lifestyle.

You are in debt to fund their lifestyle, because they couldn’t raise the money themselves on their jobs or properties… which means they have maxed out all loan options, which means you won’t get the money back because they don’t have it.

moveoveralice · 01/04/2025 15:15

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 14:57

DH and her keep using words like ‘she had to raise the capital’. I know what this means obviously, but it’s so pretentious!
I have explained it to him in plain English, she has taken our money!

How can you even bear to look at him.

I am another one who thinks you aren't getting this money back. You both being invited to her 50th is a cover designed to be documented in photos, SM etc to show that you are great friends... Ahead of you then going nuclear when money isn't forthcoming, making it easier to block you/cut you off.

Have you actually seen her professional credentials? She must be registered, have an office and website etc. Have you seen any of this OP?

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 15:14

He said, about a month ago that because I haven’t seen them for a while, that I’ve become detached from them. (I swear we were never that close. 3 dinners all year type). They dropped off gifts to our kids at Xmas who are quite young. Their children are older adults and have left home.

DH thinks they have been kind and nice to us (free financial advice and gifts!) and I have no empathy and am selfish. Apparently this is how friends lend to friends to help them out. I did tell his brother which he didn’t want me to do. I said if it’s all above board, let’s keep it transparent and tell your family see if they think you’re a mug. Told them January time and he’s been sleeping in spare room since then from the massive rows. He still has not told her we’re all (my family, his family, my kids included) think he’s a total nob for lending this money.

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IVbumble · 01/04/2025 15:05

Are you sure she hasn't paid it back to your DH & he's not telling you?

Thebloodynine · 01/04/2025 15:01

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 14:57

DH and her keep using words like ‘she had to raise the capital’. I know what this means obviously, but it’s so pretentious!
I have explained it to him in plain English, she has taken our money!

Yeah, and with her and her husband being in such good jobs, did your husband never wonder why she was struggling to raise £40k? They should have access to that amount of credit with relative ease. The fact that she couldn’t raise the money is exactly the problem; it means they are skint, in debt and living beyond their means so will never be able to pay you back. Have you proof that the house she is trying to sell isn’t mortgaged up to the hilt already?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/04/2025 14:58

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 14:57

DH and her keep using words like ‘she had to raise the capital’. I know what this means obviously, but it’s so pretentious!
I have explained it to him in plain English, she has taken our money!

Why does he think her liquidity issues were in any way your problem?

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 14:57

DH and her keep using words like ‘she had to raise the capital’. I know what this means obviously, but it’s so pretentious!
I have explained it to him in plain English, she has taken our money!

OP posts:
Latenightreader · 01/04/2025 14:51

Chiangmymy · 01/04/2025 13:57

When I gifted DS deposit money towards his apartment purchase, they wanted loads of proof including screenshots of my bank account showing the money in there for a few months, and I had to sign that it was a gift and I had no claim to his house etc. I also had to say where it came from ie where I got it from originally. This was ‘only’ £20k by the way. His solicitor wanted this info - I believe they do this for money laundering checks. There will probably be a similar paper trail if your £40k was used for a house purchase, even via his parents’ account.

Yes this - I was given some money towards my house deposit and there was a lot of paperwork and proof that it had been in the account for many months involved.

ohtowinthelottery · 01/04/2025 14:49

@CantStopMoving I have seen Judge Rinder and can fully appreciate that people do friend's favours. But there are stringent checks in place as to the origins of any finance when house purchases are involved and I can't believe that this would pass them. Mortgage companies are not keen on deposits coming from loans, and any gifts have to be declared as such with evidence of where the money came from. So even if the friend's son said he was gifted the money from his parents, his parents would have to prove where they got the money from.

Calliopespa · 01/04/2025 14:41

… and op I’m glad DH has come round to acknowledging he needs to chase this up. He’s been a daft twit but if he’s normally great I’m glad to think of you guys working through this.

Some posters have not had their sport on MN if they don’t implode a marriage on every thread !

Calliopespa · 01/04/2025 14:37

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 13:10

This is how DH feels. I feel like the party is a leverage. She will have all her colleagues and everyone there, really wants us there. We should get something before this? If not, we do not go to the party and start legal proceedings?

I think that’s a good plan.

And it isn’t too late for something in writing. You don’t need a loan document, you just need her acknowledgment in writing that she owes repayment. That could be as simple as an email from her saying when she intends to repay.

Going nuclear and shaming her at the party will achieve precisely nothing. It might be something some posters would find cathartic in an angry way, but looked at logically it would be taking away the only leverage you currently have, which is her desire to contain this and stop it being publicly outed. That’s why doing something before the party is a good idea. It’s the threat of outing her that will have more effect than actually outing her - which will in fact turn the tables back on you by leaving her with no more to lose. Send in your rsvp: we’ll be there!!!

thenightsky · 01/04/2025 14:36

They are ‘visibly rich’. Big house, two cars each, gated house. I felt silly to be questioning if they would give it back.

I wonder how many others are funding their lifestyle like you are.

telestrations · 01/04/2025 14:27

@CheesePlantBoxes nails it, play nice, get an admission of loan in text and then get your money back

Also I wouldn't mention again to your DH he's either still had by the con or realising he had been which will be an utter humiliation for him once it's hits and more so the more you told him so

MrsJoanDanvers · 01/04/2025 14:22

Is this an April Fool?

rosemarble · 01/04/2025 14:13

I recently cooled things with a friend when she fucked me around paying me back £8!
It was the straw that broke the camel's back and it wasn't so much the money but how she lied and took me for a fool.
40K.....dear God.

KnittedFerret · 01/04/2025 14:12

Littlemisscapable · 01/04/2025 13:56

Honestly. This is so bizarre. Is this real ?

Look at the date.

Isthiswhatmenthink · 01/04/2025 14:08

He thinks I’ve got a problem with her. (I didn’t used to)

He should fucking well have a problem with her. Is there something weird going on between them?

Ohthatsabitshit · 01/04/2025 14:07

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 01/04/2025 13:09

@SpaceMoo literally has said in the comments above yours, no loan agreement 🤦🏼‍♀️

And goes on to say later there are some texts. But well spotted ⭐️

godmum56 · 01/04/2025 14:06

it occures to me that the "money burns a hole in their pocket" type...and I was one so I know.....doesn't get the spending dopamine hit by loaning the money to someone else?

GirlWhatHaveYouDoneYoureAPinkPonyGirl · 01/04/2025 14:05

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 11:09

Yes. That’s why DH trusts her. She has her own business. She wouldn’t do this? It would ruin her if people found out she is taking money from people like this?

She won’t want to get a CCJ or she’ll be struck off. Use that as leverage!

NuitDeSable · 01/04/2025 13:59

SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 10:32

Is it too late to ask her for a loan agreement now since it is taking so long for her to give us the money back? DH thinks this shows distrust and pretty much ends the friendship.

I think the friendship is over. She obviously doesn’t know me and DH are arguing about it, so it may not be her fault (?) - if she’s not playing us and conning us.

Of course she is playing you.

A decent person would not ask and would not accept money from friends in this manner.

Now that she owes you the money if there genuinely was any kind of difficulty in repaying you they would sit down with you both and discuss a payment plan and tell you they would be trading in investments and selling shares etc as well as selling a car, jewellery, clothing, anything at all of value to repay you.

I think there is more to it and could w en involve money laundering.

Your husband is an absolute brainless fool and I would divorce him asap.

Treesarenotforeating · 01/04/2025 13:58

jeeze
take them to court, cheeky sods

Chiangmymy · 01/04/2025 13:57

When I gifted DS deposit money towards his apartment purchase, they wanted loads of proof including screenshots of my bank account showing the money in there for a few months, and I had to sign that it was a gift and I had no claim to his house etc. I also had to say where it came from ie where I got it from originally. This was ‘only’ £20k by the way. His solicitor wanted this info - I believe they do this for money laundering checks. There will probably be a similar paper trail if your £40k was used for a house purchase, even via his parents’ account.

Littlemisscapable · 01/04/2025 13:56

Honestly. This is so bizarre. Is this real ?

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