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To not go to a friend’s party because she still owes me money?

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SpaceMoo · 01/04/2025 09:44

They are DH’s friends really more than mine, and have borrowed money from us to help out their son buy a house. That was a year ago. She’s now having a massive 50th party and is very keen for us all to go. She’s also been on holiday (flying business class she raved to us - it was a gift apparently.) We’ve asked for the money back three times now and she said it’s so hard to take out loans and her other property didn’t sell, problems with tenants etc.

Anyway, I would prefer to cut her off and get solicitors involved. DH trusts her he said and thinks they’re just putting the house on the market and will give the money back. He sees her more often than me as they work close by. He doesn’t want to end it and thinks I’m being petty, it’s just a matter of time. In the meantime she advised us to remortgage our property (which me and DH argued about and a) I resent the arguing and b) point blank refused.

It’s time to get solicitors involved I feel. (Money amount 40k)

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GooseClues · 02/04/2025 15:51

You need to get the money back BEFORE she settles with the tenants!!!
What they did is very illegal. A novice landlord might claim ignorance of the rules and maybe get away with it but she a financial advisor and can’t really claim ignorance, can she? She’ll almost certainly will get prosecuted and end up with her licence revoked. Even if she manages to sell the house she’ll be out of a job and use that as a reason why she can’t pay you back.

Boligrafo · 02/04/2025 15:47

SheridansPortSalut · 02/04/2025 15:27

I'm beginning to think that you should go to her birthday party so that you can chat to other people and get a feel for who she is and what she's like.

Your username suggests you have an excellent set of priorities.

SheridansPortSalut · 02/04/2025 15:27

I'm beginning to think that you should go to her birthday party so that you can chat to other people and get a feel for who she is and what she's like.

RunningJo · 02/04/2025 15:17

Your husband is an idiot, but doubt you need a stranger telling you that.
I would get legal advice now and see what course of action you need to take to get this paid back.
If your husband isn’t on board with this, I’d be telling him you’ll see a solicitor about him too!. If he can’t see anything wrong with what he’s done, and nothing wrong with them not paying you back £40k than there is more to this than he is letting on.

I can’t imagine lending anyone, family or friend, this kind of money without some sort of payment agreement written up and signed. It’s madness .

As for the cheeky fecker advising you to re mortgage, that’s beyond a joke! she could be making repayments using the money she’s using for her lifestyle!
Absolute piss take.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/04/2025 15:10

thepariscrimefiles · 02/04/2025 14:37

To be honest, I'd tell your DH to stick his opinions up his arse. He finds excuse after excuse to absolve this woman of all blame. You are £40k down thanks to his catastrophic lack of judgement. Why is he still defending her?

At this point I'd be tempted to ask him if he's having an affair with her or is actually the father of one of her kids or something.

But the OP will know better than us whether that sort of approach is likely to backfire.

Underthepalmtree · 02/04/2025 15:10

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 14:13

I have absolutely no problem asking her for all of this in writing.

Is no one thinking that she might genuinely have a problem ‘accessing her capital through her property portfolio’ lol?

No, she genuinely doesn't have a problem accessing money to pay you back.

1.She is flying business class
2.She is throwing a big expensive party

Don't gaslight yourself, you've got enough people around you doing that already.

She doesn't want to pay you back and is coming up with every sob story she can.

Your DH is still being an idiot falling for it. You've been played and scammed and I bet you another £40k you probably aren't the first she's done this too..

@SpaceMoo what actual action are you going to take now?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/04/2025 15:07

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 14:13

I have absolutely no problem asking her for all of this in writing.

Is no one thinking that she might genuinely have a problem ‘accessing her capital through her property portfolio’ lol?

It doesn't matter. It's not your problem. If she couldn't find 40k from her own "portfolio" to help her son buy a house, she couldn't afford to help him buy a house.

Why on earth your husband thought it was a good idea to get involved in this is beyond me.

But you need to get something in writing from her confirming that it was a loan and that she intends to pay it back.

Asking to put in place a repayment plan is a great idea because it could help you get some useful written evidence that the money was not a gift.

Your husband needs to stop fobbing you off. Tell him to write to her (text is fine, just not a phone call) and say that she needs to at least start paying the money back, even if she can't pay it all off at once, and suggesting monthly repayment plan where she pays off a set amount each month (e.g. £1000 per month) and then pays off the balance as soon as her liquidity issues are resolved.

Have you pointed out to your husband that if you'd had that £40000 in a basic cash ISA for the last year you'd probably have earned about £2000 in interest? Even if he thinks the £40000 is a loan which she will definitely pay back (lol), what is that £2000? A gift? That you're giving this person who throws fancy parties and takes business class flights because...?

Tell your husband that if he hasn't got some sort of written confirmation from her that it is a loan which she will pay back, and agreeing to a repayment schedule, by the end of next week, you will be taking over communications with her. And if that doesn't bear any fruit she will be hearing from your solicitor.

So again, if he's worried about her having a bad day, the onus is on him to make sure she doesn't start having even worse ones, which she soon will if he doesn't deal with this.

Moveoverdarlin · 02/04/2025 14:56

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 14:13

I have absolutely no problem asking her for all of this in writing.

Is no one thinking that she might genuinely have a problem ‘accessing her capital through her property portfolio’ lol?

She doesn’t have a genuine problem in throwing a flash party does she and that’s what the problem is, the blasé / couldn’t give a fuck attitude. If she said ‘Oh god I feel terrible, I thought you’d have the money back long before now, but we’re up to our eyes in stress. But look, I’m doing everything I can to raise it asap, we’re not going away this year and tightening our belts until we repay you’.

If I owed someone that money I would feel mortified until I paid it back. She’s either unbelievably arrogant or your DH has been so wet that she hasn’t picked up you want it back.

I would cut your husband out of the loop to be honest.

Lastgig · 02/04/2025 14:47

Years ago in the crash I 'borrowed' £2k of a millionaire friend. She insisted it was a gift, I kept the letter. I had nothing for ten years. Caring duties and ill health kept me out of the workplace.
I looked after her kids for every summer holiday so she could work (no payment) and gave her a chair she was to renovate and my half would go to her. She reminds me of the loan to this day and it was paid off years ago with interest.
Every item I bought was commented on. No business class tickets for me however it was a very intense way to behave.
Things have improved for me greatly but I'm constantly asked how much money I have these days. It's so rude and in front of others.
I lend small amounts and it's rare I get them back. I expect people just don't have it. But £40k is a house deposit and you could be a BTLL too if this person didn't have your money!
I personally would tell them you're moving and need the money yourself. Thirty days to pay up

thepariscrimefiles · 02/04/2025 14:37

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 12:03

Yes. They put the rent up (I think without much warning) but tenants refused to pay. They haven’t paid for a year or so. Some paper work when they were given the contract, deposit money not written down or something, has caused massive problems. They have a small child.

Back in the day when I was renting we were given plenty of warning, like 6 months before. DH thinks I just want to see the worst in her now.

To be honest, I'd tell your DH to stick his opinions up his arse. He finds excuse after excuse to absolve this woman of all blame. You are £40k down thanks to his catastrophic lack of judgement. Why is he still defending her?

curtaintwitcher78 · 02/04/2025 14:32

She can stick her business class but owing people money up her arse.

😂 Hear hear. I have encountered a few of these people myself.

BoldAmberDuck · 02/04/2025 14:29

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 14:13

I have absolutely no problem asking her for all of this in writing.

Is no one thinking that she might genuinely have a problem ‘accessing her capital through her property portfolio’ lol?

No! She can afford business class don’t forget!

KnittedFerret · 02/04/2025 14:17

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 14:07

They already had the kids before we first met them. Met them at the gym. DH and her DH were friends at first. They played football.

Oh aye?

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 14:13

I have absolutely no problem asking her for all of this in writing.

Is no one thinking that she might genuinely have a problem ‘accessing her capital through her property portfolio’ lol?

OP posts:
SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 14:07

They already had the kids before we first met them. Met them at the gym. DH and her DH were friends at first. They played football.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/04/2025 13:54

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 12:39

Sorry to be vague about the tenant thing I barely listen to it and refuse to be drawn into me being invested in this story. She took our money and I want it back. It’s been well over a year. No sign of it.

So she hasn’t been able to sell that other property but she can maybe make a payment plan to give it back as she is working? She said banks are not lending. It’s ridiculous. I mention the professional jobs because you’d think they’d be able to apply for a loan?

DH kept saying she’ll have it back by the time we do the rest of the house.

Exactly. If you owe someone 40 grand you cannot afford business class flights and it is as simple as that.

Does your husband have any written evidence at all that this was a loan? Even text messages would be helpful.

If not, can he text her and say he wants to discuss repayment of the loan and suggest setting up a repayment schedule if she can't pay it all off in one lump sum?

Ideally she would reply saying something which can be used as evidence of the loan.

If she won't reply at all or insists on only discussing it orally, she knows what she's doing and has absolutely no intention of ever paying you back.

KnittedFerret · 02/04/2025 13:41

Ownyourchoices · 02/04/2025 13:22

So much i could say but after reading this whole thread....words fail me. But i will try. Your husband is a pathetic creature who is either sleeping with tgat woman or just a try hard loser. Not sure what is worse

I thought he might be the DC's DF.

Nolongera · 02/04/2025 13:23

wizzywig · 02/04/2025 13:11

Wait she wants you to do a presentation at this party? Hmmm.... do one.

I would do a presentation and start with " there are 40 000 reasons why I wanted to be here today" and see how it goes from there.

OP you are for too involved with the ins and outs of their finances and their relationship with their tenants, it's nowt to do with you.

They owe you 40 grand.

A short text, a short period of time to repay the money or solicitors will become involved.

Ownyourchoices · 02/04/2025 13:22

So much i could say but after reading this whole thread....words fail me. But i will try. Your husband is a pathetic creature who is either sleeping with tgat woman or just a try hard loser. Not sure what is worse

wizzywig · 02/04/2025 13:11

Wait she wants you to do a presentation at this party? Hmmm.... do one.

Shatteredallthetimelately · 02/04/2025 13:06

She said she will give us the money back as soon as possible

Pretty much means if and when she's good and ready you may see you money.

Your DH is still dancing to her tune.

As said your DH willingly handed over a not to small sum of money with no paper trail to say he had done so, this woman's laughing in your face not only has she got your money but your DH wrapped around her finger...

I can almost hear her laughing.

Moveoverdarlin · 02/04/2025 13:05

All this tenant bollox, son’s house, raising capital, selling another property is just BS, it’s not relevant to you. She owes you 40k.

I’d be sick as a pig attending her party and totting how much it all cost.

I think at the party I would have to say ‘Lovely party Jenny! Must have cost an arm and a leg! It all looks beautiful! Oh about that, I’ve been leaving all this to James, but he’s useless and it’s getting us nowhere. We need that 40k asap. Shall we say 20k by June 1st, and the remaining 20k by August 1st? Don’t worry I won’t charge you interest ha! Ha!’

She is one of life’s piss takers and she’s manipulating your DH. She less likely to do it with you. Be friendly but firm.

SpaceMoo · 02/04/2025 13:05

TokyoKyoto · 02/04/2025 12:57

"They’re not friends that we even visit. Much older than us. A barbecue five years ago. An hour chatting at some place we bump into. Dinner a few times. They’ve not been round this house or seen our new kitchen. I never invite them round"
I thought you said you knew her family and colleagues and clients.
Your DH is going to do naff all about this, is he, because he'd have to admit publicly he's been conned. So it looks like it's going to be up to you to ruin her reputation if she doesn't pony up the money pronto.

We know them from general parties. (Who they are, Facebook etc. one of her friends is a successful party planner) we don’t know them intimately, and we are not friends with their friends. DH has been round more often than me.

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TokyoKyoto · 02/04/2025 12:57

"They’re not friends that we even visit. Much older than us. A barbecue five years ago. An hour chatting at some place we bump into. Dinner a few times. They’ve not been round this house or seen our new kitchen. I never invite them round"
I thought you said you knew her family and colleagues and clients.
Your DH is going to do naff all about this, is he, because he'd have to admit publicly he's been conned. So it looks like it's going to be up to you to ruin her reputation if she doesn't pony up the money pronto.

muddymuckymoody · 02/04/2025 12:53

WhyDoesItAlways · 02/04/2025 12:51

Sorry but I highly doubt this money has been used to buy a property. I'm not sure this would have passed the money laundering checks by the solicitors unless your husband has signed a letter saying its a gift - in which case I can't see you getting it back.

Yep this too. It requires lots of documentation for source of funds to pass anti money laundering ergo it couldn’t have passed if they used your money

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